The riot occurred at a clothing manufacturing and seafood processing factory
That…is an interesting combination
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This is God tier.
So that’s why clothes from Temu smell like that…
Now can someone explain to me why Amazon boxes sometimes smell like ass, just actual ass, why?
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) I think you already know
And yet you continue to order them
I couldn’t find an image but there’s an old Far Side cartoon that shows a building that’s something like “Jake’s Croissants and Fill Dirt”. Reminds me of that.
My boss ordered an anti-fatigue mat from Amazon recently and entirety of the inside of that package smelled like a fish market.
an anti-fatigue mat
What is that because I am fatigued as fuck. I really need one. I’m OK with it smelling like fish.
it is a cushioned mat that is supposed to make your feet or legs not hurt from standing in one spot. I’m not sure how well they actually work but I’ve got one infront of the sink for when I’m doing dishes.
They make a ton of difference if you’re standing on a hard floor for more than an hour or two. Still worse than something to sit on but stools are a luxury beyond the reach of American workers.
Thanks! :) Never heard of one before.
The connection is that they both require workers, but don’t want to pay them
Like some kind of slave mall
Clothes that smell like seafood straight from the factory could be the next $100 white t-shirt or designer jeans with rips already in them.
Because these two industries are both labor intensive.
Derek’s Derelict clothing line must be made there
The night and day crew use the same equipment for different purposes. (they’re on 12 hour shifts because that’s more efficient or something probably)
When North Koreans unionize, they don’t fuck around.
I read this somewhere else on Lemmy recently (sorry for comment steal):
American companies that are trying to dismantle unions need to understand that unions were a compromise to protect the companies. Because this is the alternative.
This issue extends to politicians as well. If you replace “Ancien Régime” with “Oligarchy-flavored Republic” it’s almost like we’re living the beginning script of the French Revolution here in America. That should induce quite the pandemic of sweaty palms in D.C. If that Oaf gets reelected, we’re gonna have a Louis XVI on our hands… and we all know how that went down…
So who will be Napoleon this time?
Non?
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Some obscure Puerto Rican who is alive today but nobody has heard of yet.
Step 1 find a land surveyor student with micropenis
There should be at least one in the entire world.
Which Oaf do you mean?
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The great part about history is sometimes there’s no need to find a quote when there’s tons of evidence! Here’s a few:
France, George Besse killed in 85’ due to his “revolutionary” turnaround of a company that included mass layoffs.
United States Labor Wars which spanned a century of bloodshed and violence. The Labor Wars included the Battle of Blair Mountain where the largest private army in US history was formed and approximately one million rounds were fired.
There’s a reason your history classes were boring, there’s a reason they opt for American propaganda instead of facts, and there is a reason companies are shitting themselves over union talks. Both the best and worst part about being a history buff is knowing the facts they don’t want you to hear. Be a History Buff with me Limmings! We never meet up, there are no dues, you have no deadlines or tests, and you get to earn dark secrets you can use to torture your friends and family with. It’s great!
If I could carry around a Limmings History Buff Fellowship member card with qr code links to sites like these, it’d be just handy dandy for the torturing-friends-and-family part.
Except they’re now all organ donors.
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North Korea is essentially a monarchy
It’s not a monarchy. It’s a regime with a dictator. Kim Jong un isn’t their king. Just a dictator.
A monarchy is just a hereditary dictatorship.
It is, but it’s a formal difference. A King and a dictator are two completely different things.
If the dictatorship is hereditary then what is the difference?
can we do that too
They should consider Communism.
I wonder if they think they actually DO live under communism?
What do you mean? Communist podcasts I listened to consider them Communist, Internet search says the BBC says they are Communist.
Edit: you all like to downvote instead of having a conversation. Everybody hasn’t studied every subject, try sharing a little of what you know instead of discouraging discussion
Theyre a classless society with no currency?
You sure they arent a capitalist dictatorship disguised as Communist?
You make some good points. They most definitely have currency and a lower working class with an upper government official class. I would not consider them communist at all. North Korea is just an authoritarian capitalistic hellhole, that tries to sprinkle in one or two socialist policies to maintain the illusion of pursuing communism.
I see in reading more that NK is pretty far from communist. But I think people have imagined communism to be something that it never could be. I don’t see how society could exist without money. I see that Soviets thought that eventually they wouldn’t need money but I think this is unrealistic and I don’t see that existence of money in a society could be used to determine if it’s communist or not. .
Marx said that socialism is the gateway for communism. Bring the means of prouction to the working class, then youd be able to make the next transition to communism.
In any case, there are no societies currently that meet the primary criteria for being called socialist OR communist.
I think the Zapatistas are doing pretty good at being socialists. They’re not that far off from pure communism, either.
I don’t see how society could exist without money.
The fact you are incapable of understanding something doesn’t change truth.
Exactly, satisfying the highest standard is not a criteria for categorisation. It’s the same as saying USA isn’t capitalistic because governament regulations are still a thing
This is the problem with people promoting socialism. They tend to compare idealized version of socialism with real version of capitalism. And such comparison inevitably leads to unrealistic conclusions.
The problem is that real version of socialism is what you see in China or Cuba or former USSR. The argument with “we haven’t done socialism right” is the same as “we haven’t done capitalism right”.
I have been born in socialist country and to this day I can see negative consequences of that era. And the obvious reason why ideal socialism can’t exist - people. Same reason why capitalism sucks.
Edit: To people downvoting me: Your fake internet points have no meaning, but I love the irony of it. You can’t even keep the illusion of classlessness and equality in an internet thread, yet you are somehow convinced you could run a country like that. You’d be locking people for life in your communist paradise just for having different opinion and you know it.
Definition of Socialism: the workers own the means of production.
Which country were you born in where you owned the means of production?
I was born in country where intellectuals were in jail and uneducated workers were put to management positions, because they should own the means of production or some bullshit like that. You can imagine the end result of that.
And again, this is the same “that wasn’t true socialism” argument. Obviously it wasn’t. The socialism as per your definition can’t exist on a country level. You can see it being implemented on a small company level (think family owned businesses) but the bigger it gets the more the cracks show and it just does not scale.
You don’t need money going to shareholders in order to scale. You need management structure. Even anarchists would say they’re against unnecessary hierarchy, and at least a little structure is generally necessary. Top management does not need to be paid 300-to-1 over the average worker. Nor do they need to specifically represent shareholders, which is what a CEO is.
Lenin himself called the system he instituted state capitalism, it was supposed to be a transitory state as Marx said (and the Bolsheviks were very big on historical materialism) that first you have capitalism, develop productivity, then communism would follow naturally as a consequence of resolving capitalism’s inherent contradictions.
The gaslighting started with Stalin, who invented the term “really existing socialism” to make it doubly clear that it was neither real, existed, or was socialism.
The closest any society ever got to communism isn’t via the Bolshevik “dictatorship of the proletariat” (aka dictatorship of the state bureaucracy), but via Anarchism. Horizontal organisation, abolish hierarchies. Very early revolutionary Russia qualifies until the Bolsheviks abolished councils in practice, Rojava qualifies, Chiapas qualifies, revolutionary Spain (until Bolsheviks teamed up with fascists to kill it off), revolutionary Ukraine (until the Bolsheviks – I think you see the pattern).
Interesting tidbit I picked up on an Andrewisim video recently: organizations from the Marxist-Leninist-Maoist branch of the left are particularly vulnerable to falling into cult behavior. It’s a reason to consider the whole branch to be bad and cut it right off. If not that far, then at least view organizations from that branch with a lot of criticism.
Yes, exactly it always fails, because it just does not scale. It’s an idea, that can’t exist in reality on a country level. You can point to Freetown Christiania as an example - a small anarchist commune, that already shows some major cracks in its structure. I mean, just grow family business a bit and you can already see structures and hierarchy emerging.
Rojava is about 4.6 million people, about as many as Kuwait. About 11 Icelands worth of population.
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Ironic
Well at least they have the right to (down)vote then. That isn’t that common in the socialist paradise last time I’ve checked. 🤣
It’s because they haven’t winnowed the State as Marx described. The problem is that once certain members of the Proletariat get their hands upon the levers of power, they find they rather like it and don’t want to let go.
It seems like with that level of militancy they’ve got some pretty powerful class consciousness.
Hell yeah, power to the proletariat!
North Koreans in China showing the world how it’s done. Who had THAT on their bingo card ?
Americans forget their middle class existed for the short time it did exactly because of actions like this.
You don’t fight the enemy sitting on your toilet reading Lemmy posts. (It’s still fun though)
There is the working class and the owning class. All other distinctions are a waste of brain power.
Raises Fist … not to get too deep into it… but at this point we’re closer to the Transnational Capitalist class vs Everyone else .
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transnational_capitalist_class
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I literally said to myself “hell yeah!” reading the headline, and then opened to find it was the top comment 😂
Until China has to kill all of them because North Korea won’t take them back.
Welcome to the Rednecks, North Koreans.
What the fuck are you talking about?
What exactly are you confused about?
That the Chinese and North Koreans would rather kill 2000 people than pay them? Or The history and origin of the original Redneck?
I don’t think they’ll be killed. Neither North Korea nor China are that stupid. I do think that they’ll be forced to work until they drop and paid nothing or paid a pittance, even by Chinese standards, with the bulk of the value of their labour being split between the company that they work for and the Chinese and North Korean states.
dude, they decided to have a little uprising and decapitated their boss (who in systems like china gets the job because of government connections), they have done a lot worse for a lot less
This is a coal mine canary of the future of china, civil unrest and wealth inequity for everyone!
So exactly the same as the rest of the industrialized world?
China and India will be first!
Why are you so enthusiastic about it lmao?
USA is reserve currency for a huge chunk of the world, they have to all fail with their local currency first, you need a common ground for international trade - the US is still a reserve currency because oil mostly.
So you think the civil collapse of two governments with over 2.8 billion citizens collectively would be a good thing because it would make improve the logistics of trade? /gen
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Yeah I got that but I’m trying to determine whether or not you think that’s a good thing or a bad thing.
Solidarity
This article of the BBC gives more contexts.
I wonder how many mental gymnastics is needed by tankies to explain that.
mao zedong would be proud.
Watch the so-called “Communist” Party leaders decry this and crush it violently. Marx is rolling so much in his grave that if they attached a generator to him they could power half of China with the electricity
When you have nothing left, you riot.
Good. I hope it spreads.
Bad communist rioters…
Better than anything occurring here. American workers are all talk.
It depends what state you’re in. People in some states mobilise better than others.
Americans shoot up schools
Seize the means of
productioneducationDo you believe the conditions between US workers and North Korean workers in China are similar?
Wrong question; don’t give a fuck.
Anyone who accepts their servitude because someone else’s situation is worse is a fucking moron.
So the question is: Are you a fucking moron?
I’m not. Are you?
I’m not so sure the 4th part or your statement is true.
A much higher percentage of US workers are satisfied with their jobs, that’s why they don’t riot.
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I’m all for worker’s rights, but killing the plant manager was a touch much.
Then you really aren’t going to like the actions the OG unions took.
😂 good point. I’m just thinking that since it’s NK, the “manager” probably didn’t have much more freedom or authority than the employees did. I’d be very surprised if he benefited from the embezzlement. I’d expect the higher ups to take it all.
North Korean workers in China. The Mexicans of China if you will. The plant manager wasn’t likely going to buy mega yachts. But finding someone with so little regard for their fellow humans carries a pay bump there. Just as it does in the western world.
They can also just refuse to do the job because it hurts the laborers that work for them. They got laborers doing this because they didn’t treat them like people. I don’t think they should expect to be treated well when they treat others poorly.
you dont know what that guy has done. maybe he’s killed workers himself.
Dunno if we should justify murder by violent mobs by speculating that the person might’ve deserved it.
I agree with you, but I also understand the French people taking King Louis and Marie Antoinette to the guillotine. Just saying, the situation there might be so intense and oppressive, that the killing could at least be understood even if not just. We just don’t know enough :/
I agree the situation is oppressive and untenable, but the plant manager isn’t the same as a King. We don’t know if the plant manager had the actual power to fix anything, given the corruption and embezzling going on behind the scenes. A King is the top of the pyramid, this guy wasn’t necessarily, so I don’t condone his murder based on pure speculation. The French people didn’t have to speculate that the King and Queen were directly responsible for the peoples’ misery and oppression.
We just don’t know enough.
I would say that’s a good reason not to condone mob violence, not a reason to support it.
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They do regularly employ capital punishment for white collar crimes like corruption, bribery, and fraud, unlike most first world countries.
I have no idea
