• SpookySnek@sh.itjust.works
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    9 months ago

    Hamas committed a direct attack on civilians, without any military target in mind what-so-ever. Obviously this will be a serious crime against humanity in most people’s eyes that makes it harder to count Israel’s response as unwarranted, counting in their wrongdoings.

    With the Rus-Ukr conflict, the same country is both the aggressor and the attacker that started the invasion. That makes it easier to see who the undoubtedly “bad guy” is.

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      1. Hamas is not taking part in Eurovision.
      2. A war crime is a war crime and a genocide is a genocide, no matter the justification.
      3. Calling Hammas the aggressor ignores quite a bit of complicated history.
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        9 months ago

        Hamas is the aggressor in this specific part of the almost 100 year old conflict, that resulted in the current circumstances.

        What genocide are you referring to?

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          None in particular, I’m saying there is no excuse for genocide. So to determine if Israel is committing one, the actions of Hamas are irrelevant.

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          Well, if you cut it like that, you could cut it a month later. Now Israel is the aggressor!

          It’s not that simple.

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          By that logic the specific part of the current genocide in Gaza Israel is the unambiguous aggressor.

          Like: You cannot just ignore what came before. WTF?

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      hamas are terrorists. all terrorism is a crime against humanity. but what israel is doing is also a crime against humanity. even the settlements could be considered such a thing. and i’m not even going to talk about the fact that palestinian refugees don’t have a right of return to their land, that opens a new definition of crime done by a state.

      israel must be isolated, banning them from eurovision is a must for the organization. uefa and fifa should ban them as well from international competitions. but this isolation is already late and the current actions of israel reflect the inaction of the international community towards their many habitual crimes against palestinians.

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      Hamas committed a direct attack on civilians, without any military target in mind what-so-ever.

      About 1/4th of the Israelis deaths on October 7th were members of the military. The IDF by it’s own reports has killed two civilians for every Hamas member, so 1/3rd of the deaths are military. They have killed at least 10k civilians in one month, so just a bit more than Russia did in the whole war but 10 times as much as Hamas managed! With those numbers let’s keep in mind that Hamas are terrorists while the IDF is an organised army of a democratic state which claims to uphold human rights even in war times.

      So yeah, neither side gets a medal from me for holding back against civilians.