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This is extremely vague with zero context.
Right? There’s a lot to criticize the US government for, but I’m pretty sure that this is already how things work. No idea what OP is on about
Why can’t I use explosives to fish?
Why is it illegal to spray people with gasoline?
If my company wants to dump toxins into the daycare, they should. There’s no laws for it.
There are actually laws for all of those FYI.
Lemmy.world isn’t exclusive to the USA, but still yeah I think deregulators are almost always the worst type of politician.
This also works as a corporate excuse to do whatever the hell they want to a community and the environment.
This is the huge problem with the optics of Libertarianism as a whole. Thats why Liberal Progressive is a more common term because the right wing co-opts libertarian arguments in a pro-corporate way.
DAMNIT THIS IS MERIKA I SHOULD HAVE A MISSILE LAUNCHER ON THE FRONT YARD BEN WASHINGTON WROTE IT IN THE CONSTITUTION
Don’t forget James Hancock, Thomas Madison, and John Jefferson!
Dude, I’m pretty sure it’s Steve Madison.
founding randos
I’m quite sure it was George Jefferson…
Laws against victimless crimes come to mind.
Justification is easy. Damn near no one does anything they don’t feel is justified. You may not agree with it, but that doesn’t really matter, because the right people will.
A lot of the most evil shit in history was done by people who felt completely justified in doing it.
Justification is a stupidly low bar.
You’re missing the point. We don’t need to justify to the government why we need to do anything. The government needs to justify to us why it should be prohibited. Feeling justified in your own actions doesn’t come into it.
As for “the most evil shit in history”, it should be extremely easy for the government to justify prohibiting it.
To any reasonable person it is extremely easy to justify prohibiting easy access to firearms. And yet here we are, with mass shootings happening every other day in the US.
US Govt: Y’all shoot a lot of people. Let’s slow this down a bit. Some people: how about I shoot you!?
Normal people have their behavior regulated by family, partners, and work. It’s only the ownership class and psychopaths who worry about being reined in by the government. Libertarians have spiders in their brains.
Miscegny, abortion, sodomy, war on drugs…
There’s plenty of things the government has (and it’s trying to have) blocked that “normal” people should worry about
Have you ever noticed the people who don’t want lead in the gasoline are not the same people who are trying to ban abortion?
Regulations on business and production of resources don’t infringe on my personal liberties.
So you’d fear a government that has banned abortion? Damn, you must be a psychopath or part of the ruling class or something.
Some states making it illegal to be homeless. I’m sure the 14th amendment won’t be used for nefarious purposes… /s
Hey this is the “I have nothing to hide” argument for privacy. I think wanting people to have freedom from suspicion by the government is based. You’re not gonna find me agreeing with any right wing “libertarian” positions like low taxes. My libertarianism is more about… Policing.
I agree. I’ve been listening to behind the bastards a lot, and the host is basically a pretty radical dude in favor of maximizing personal and civic freedoms and social safety nets.
At this point I feel like we should be called the neo-libroanarchists or something. It seems like every political faction in the US is trying to restrict something just because.
Social libertarians is what you’re looking for.
Thats a good term! Thanks
The right wing think tanks have a deliberate strategy of stealing leftist words.
It’s only the ownership class and psychopaths who worry about being reined in by the government.
I guess you forgot the badge-wearing fascists with itchy trigger fingers stalking your neck of the woods with the express purpose of visiting violence upon you if you step out of line.
Who uses the badge wearing fascists to control you? The ownership class. Guess who is the ownership class? Not you and I.
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Wow cool the most dystopian sentiment possible!
Human nature is determined by material conditionsss
Take cannabis for instance. They’ve ‘justified’ why it has been illegal, it’s just all the reasons were manipulated science and moral bullshit.
This is deep. I’m 14 though fyi.
All base no substance
It’s quite literally a founding principle of most modern legal systems but okay.
We’re being sarcastic here right?
Isn’t it inherently cringe to claim your own things based?
You think this is OC? You must be new here.
Of course, OP even went through the effort of making it all blurry so it looked like it was recycled content! /s
Btw, I don’t hate nazis
Tolerance is just an extension of the social contract. Intolerant people are actively violating the social contract and, as such, are not eligible for the benefits such a contract provides. This has been settled law for millennia. Live and let live… or else.
The problem is ppl disagree on what represents tolerance. i.e: letting a trans compete in sport can be tolerance of gender diversity, while at the same time intolerance of competition rules.
Sometimes one cannot know what is someone fighting intolerance gonna end up doing. Germans had been too tolerant of jewish wealthy elite until nazis had enough of it. Hitler was democratically elected and crimes begun only after that.
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So you think nazis decided to genocide out of the blue?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturmabteilung
This was before 1930 bud.
I didn’t know this specifics, but after reading that I’m still waiting further explanation. Each party had own guerilla and wikipedia didn’t mention especially bloody SA behaviour.
2000 SA vs 130 police = deads 15 vs 4 is a pretty normal protest clash outcome. I believe they killed also some more jews, but from that to a concentration camp there is a difference.
letting a trans compete in sport can be tolerance of gender diversity, while at the same time intolerance of competition rules.
Oh no! Won’t somebody think of the rules?!
Rules don’t have rights. People do. When the rules don’t respect people’s rights, then the rules have to change.
Meh, I’m not a Nazi so no offense taken.
It’s kind of like pest control. I don’t hate termites. I just can’t have them tearing up my home, so they have to be exterminated.
How is this relevant to the post
That’s just something the ignorant say
If you try to get rid of intolerance then you will find they out number you and it will lead to a more intolerant society
You have to limit the ability for it to spread by expanding education and publicly engage with them to challenge their ideas so that others can see the faults in their logic
The worst thing you can do is force them into their own communities, something social media promotes, because then intolerance grows
publicly engage with them to challenge their ideas so that others can see the faults in their logic
Yes, but you want to be careful you’re not lending legitimacy to their movement, either. If it’s a fringe, wacko idea, it shouldn’t be on NBC.
But yeah, inoculating people against the kinds of arguments they make is good work.
This is actually what Karl Popper said if you read the entire quote. This comic cut out that part.
You can’t go running around with feces all over your body and hug strangers, OP, it’s not hygienic.
Boom. Justification. OP’s request is satisfied.
You fool, I’m not a representative of the government. Ha, request not satisfied.
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Source?
Bioterrorism covers this pretty well.
Did you read the meme though?
Yes, and when you Google Bioterrorism you’ll get all the justifications as to why you shouldn’t.
That’s true, but I don’t think anyone is serious enough about it to need or want to do that.
Just existing is not a crime, even if you’re just casually spreading disease
Well that’s one hell of a joke alright. Hardly probable or even provable in today’s world.
The government does justify its prohibitions.
They’re just sometimes good justifications (like protecting drinking water supplies) or shitty justifications (like staying in power with Gerrymandering).
Sometimes it’s even as weak as “putting forward laws Senator John looks like he’s doing something (so he can stay visible and get reelected. Not about power, but just keeping a cushy job)”
But there’s always a justification.
This is stupid.
I will do all that I can to crumple a world where “if it is not required it is forbidden” exists; this I swear to you all.
But black and white thinking is the only way my brain can work because
Sorry bro certain things need regulated
Regulation is not prohibition. Regulation and prohibition are at odds with each other.
But thank you for offering your fraternity to me.
Clothes. Done. You wear most of your clothes to be presentable according to regulation, or to be comfortable, ask yourself if anybody went to a gay bar or a sauna, would they not prefer a towel if it were not for pockets?
Uhhhh… isnt this how it already works?
Not with drugs. Does the drug look similar enough to something illegal? Well then it’s also illegal. Are there new, positive, revolutionary uses for those drugs? Who fucking knows, they’re illegal before they’re even made.
Yeah, there’s some truth in that. But there is also a justification (predicated on prior justification for existing hard drugs being made illegal). The justification is that it is not difficult to synthesize similar drugs that have similar effects. And very often, the differences in the effects are such that the new drug is more harmful than the drug it is copying. So rather than just automatically allowing every new drug and then playing an never-ending game of wack-a-mole with new and dangerous addictive drugs, they are just automatically banned.
There are a lot of arguments for why it might have been a mistake to make certain drugs illegal in the first place; but that’s a different issue. If certain drugs are harmful enough to be illegal, then it is definitely justifiable to make similar new drugs illegal by default.
A similar thing can apply to weapons. We don’t usually have laws against specific make and model of weapons. The laws are usually for entire categories, which include new versions are not yet created or tested.
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Ehh that is how it is right now though? Anything that’s not illegal is allowed.
Depends on the cops in that jurisdiction.
See also: the ninth amendment.
Nah it’s not exactly unreasonable to say that all objects and systems can be observed and judged, this isn’t libertarian claptrap, it’s just a fundamental basis of reality, everybody has a plan including the ones keeping an eye on our very government systems. Think of it this way, almost every system has an achilles heel and can fall apart so having people observe and act quickly to get things “back on track” or simply suggest a potential alternative path away from a point of failure actually means more than simply rejecting critique on the basis of maintaining an imaginary status quo
What the fuck are you talking about?
Governments and many other systems can be held accountable simply by their failure if nothing else, and would potentially have more opportunity to be better with more transparency.
