People who say they violated the laws here, don’t understand what is mean to be apartheid state.
These state have laws and regulations that basically push groups of people until they leave the country or extents.
I would recommend reading more because any ruling party in your country can easily create laws to discriminate against a group of people that could be you.
I love how you linked to an anti-Palestinian subreddit that ran out of “unprovoked” stabbings for their little propaganda clip, so they just included two examples of Palestinians being hassled by Israelis for good measure (security guard and police respectively).
So either you’re purposefully ignorant in pretending that all of the hostages are violent offenders, or you’re in favor of collective punishment.
The latter would be a rather untenable position, because that logic would mean you condone the hostage taking of Israeli civilians for the acts of their government (more so when you consider the conscription laws in Israel).
Yikes, I encourage everyone to read that Save the Children report linked. What’s really fucked up about that, besides to abuse obviously, is that Isreal is a democracy. With saudia arabia and china and whatever other countries with flagrant human rights abuses, you cut the citizens some slack because they’re living under varying degrees of dictatorship. But Isreal is a democracy, the citizens apparently fine with holding children in military black sites for throwing rocks, beating them, sexually abusing them, depriving them of food, water, and legal representation, throwing them in solitary confinement and so on. The Israeli people could stop this, but they choose not to.
Anyway, back to watching our “lessor evil” president write these monsters another giant check for precision guided hospital seekijg bombs. Hmm perhaps I answered my own complaint.
I agree except most Israelis do not support their leader or government, support is at all time lows, just 25% according to some recent poll. Being a democracy does not automatically mean the government is doing the will of the people. Especially when their government discriminates against their own citizens.
Many of the rights you are accorded in Israel stem from your nationality, not your citizenship. Your nationality is determined by your ethnicity and it cannot be changed or challenged.
Meaning an “Arab” Israeli citizen and a Jewish Israeli citizen, while both citizens, enjoy different rights and privileges determined by their “nationality”. This is not merely discrimination in practice, but discrimination by law.
This is intentional. It is an ethnic democracy executing the will of one ethnicity over another. It puts the power in the hands of those who are most likely to be indifferent to the plight of the Palestinians, and takes power away from dissenting voices.
Many of the rights you are accorded in Israel stem from your nationality not your citizenship. Meaning an “Arab” Israeli citizen and a Jewish Israeli citizen, while both citizens, enjoy different rights and privileges determined by their “nationality” [You can read more about this here].
(Aside - that seems to just link me to the top of that article? Is that a bug on my phone or just weird site design)
This is not merely discrimination in practice, but discrimination by law. Adalah have composed a database of discriminatory laws in Israel that disfavor non-Jewish Israelis. For example, the Law of Return and Absentees’ Property Law are but two examples of flagrant racism and discrimination in the Israeli legal system.
Is it just me, or is it really weird that the two headline laws the article touts don’t seem to apply to Israeli citizens regardless of religion or ethnicity?
The law of return favors Jewish non-Israelis over non-Jewish non-Israelis seeking Israeli citizenship, sure. But it only applies to non-Israeli citizens, literally by definition.
Similarly, from what I understand, doesn’t the absentee property law apply to the property of non-Israeli citizens that was “abandoned” during the early days of Israel? It doesn’t seem to make it easier for the government to seize the property of current Arab-Israeli citizens than Jewish Israeli citizens.
The stuff about the JNF lower down is pretty concerning, but that paragraph stuck out as being a bait-and-switch.
You made some good points and it’s fair to be skeptical of the link I posted. I also noticed that they linked to the same page, whether that’s a mistake or international I don’t know.
There is a working link on that page to laws which are intended to thwart terrorists but because of vague language they can be abused to suppress anyone deemed to be a threat.This is far from a smoking gun, but the claims seem plausible.
Yes and No. Netanyahu has had to keep running farther and farther right to find support. At this point it is debatable that most Israelis support him. (Even before this attack.) He is resorting to election interference and passing laws to silence the courts.
Israelis also protest his policies pretty routinely.
Roughly 80% of those on the list were not convicted of any crimes. They were either charged with crimes that had not yet been prosecuted, or were detained under a practice known as administrative detention, whereby Israel holds Palestinians in the occupied territories with no formal charges or evidence presented against them.
Yeah the stories, even from IDF veterans, are hair raising. Stuff like rousting Palestinian families every night. And any hint of aggression in response is heavily punished. There is no justice in this system.
Many Arab citizens feel that the state, as well as society at large, not only actively limits them to second-class citizenship, but treats them as enemies, affecting their perception of the de jure versus de facto quality of their citizenship.
What is your point? I’ve only seen people say that when they are denying the genocide commited by Israel. They are pushed out of their homeland and become citizens of Israel, trying to assimilate, it doesn’t mean their culture isn’t being destroyed.
People who say they violated the laws here, don’t understand what is mean to be apartheid state.
These state have laws and regulations that basically push groups of people until they leave the country or extents.
I would recommend reading more because any ruling party in your country can easily create laws to discriminate against a group of people that could be you.
Yup. I’ll put this here for those that need the explanation:
These often overlap but are fundamentally different things.
For instance, a country can be morally bankrupt, value a strong code of ethics, and have laws that have nothing to do with either.
Also, you often need to compare entire cultures before you can see problems with equivocating any of the three.
Ah yes, stabbing people is not a crime in non-apartheid states
I love how you linked to an anti-Palestinian subreddit that ran out of “unprovoked” stabbings for their little propaganda clip, so they just included two examples of Palestinians being hassled by Israelis for good measure (security guard and police respectively).
Meanwhile, the Israeli government themselves published a list of 300 people eligible for hostage exchange on which 80% were listed without charge or conviction.
And that’s not even touching upon the whole “administrative detention” nonsense, nor the physical, mental and sexual abuse of children in between torture.
So either you’re purposefully ignorant in pretending that all of the hostages are violent offenders, or you’re in favor of collective punishment.
The latter would be a rather untenable position, because that logic would mean you condone the hostage taking of Israeli civilians for the acts of their government (more so when you consider the conscription laws in Israel).
Yikes, I encourage everyone to read that Save the Children report linked. What’s really fucked up about that, besides to abuse obviously, is that Isreal is a democracy. With saudia arabia and china and whatever other countries with flagrant human rights abuses, you cut the citizens some slack because they’re living under varying degrees of dictatorship. But Isreal is a democracy, the citizens apparently fine with holding children in military black sites for throwing rocks, beating them, sexually abusing them, depriving them of food, water, and legal representation, throwing them in solitary confinement and so on. The Israeli people could stop this, but they choose not to.
Anyway, back to watching our “lessor evil” president write these monsters another giant check for precision guided hospital seekijg bombs. Hmm perhaps I answered my own complaint.
I agree except most Israelis do not support their leader or government, support is at all time lows, just 25% according to some recent poll. Being a democracy does not automatically mean the government is doing the will of the people. Especially when their government discriminates against their own citizens.
Many of the rights you are accorded in Israel stem from your nationality, not your citizenship. Your nationality is determined by your ethnicity and it cannot be changed or challenged.
Meaning an “Arab” Israeli citizen and a Jewish Israeli citizen, while both citizens, enjoy different rights and privileges determined by their “nationality”. This is not merely discrimination in practice, but discrimination by law.
This is intentional. It is an ethnic democracy executing the will of one ethnicity over another. It puts the power in the hands of those who are most likely to be indifferent to the plight of the Palestinians, and takes power away from dissenting voices.
https://decolonizepalestine.com/myth/israel-is-a-democracy/
(Aside - that seems to just link me to the top of that article? Is that a bug on my phone or just weird site design)
Is it just me, or is it really weird that the two headline laws the article touts don’t seem to apply to Israeli citizens regardless of religion or ethnicity?
The law of return favors Jewish non-Israelis over non-Jewish non-Israelis seeking Israeli citizenship, sure. But it only applies to non-Israeli citizens, literally by definition.
Similarly, from what I understand, doesn’t the absentee property law apply to the property of non-Israeli citizens that was “abandoned” during the early days of Israel? It doesn’t seem to make it easier for the government to seize the property of current Arab-Israeli citizens than Jewish Israeli citizens.
The stuff about the JNF lower down is pretty concerning, but that paragraph stuck out as being a bait-and-switch.
You made some good points and it’s fair to be skeptical of the link I posted. I also noticed that they linked to the same page, whether that’s a mistake or international I don’t know.
There is a working link on that page to laws which are intended to thwart terrorists but because of vague language they can be abused to suppress anyone deemed to be a threat.This is far from a smoking gun, but the claims seem plausible.
Yes and No. Netanyahu has had to keep running farther and farther right to find support. At this point it is debatable that most Israelis support him. (Even before this attack.) He is resorting to election interference and passing laws to silence the courts.
Israelis also protest his policies pretty routinely.
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Come on buddy, Hams aren’t real terrorists! Their knives are in caramelised sugar and their bullets are marshmallows
Evil apartheid-istic Israel on the other hand…
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Yeah the stories, even from IDF veterans, are hair raising. Stuff like rousting Palestinian families every night. And any hint of aggression in response is heavily punished. There is no justice in this system.
Saw one yesterday that they threw tear gas into their hostages cells. The irony of Zionists gassing people…
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What is your point? I’ve only seen people say that when they are denying the genocide commited by Israel. They are pushed out of their homeland and become citizens of Israel, trying to assimilate, it doesn’t mean their culture isn’t being destroyed.
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