• Wes_Dev@lemmy.ml
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    I know this is just a meme, but mini rant time here.

    “Free speech” literally just means the government can’t arrest, censor, or penalize you for just for the things you express. Of course, there are exceptions for public safety, fraud, etc…

    If Musk loses advertising revenue, that is the advertisers exercising their free speech in a free market, and deciding who they associate with.

    These crybabies like Musk are upset at having consequences, and throwing a tantrum about their freedom of speech is an intentional red herring and attempt to recontextualize reality so they end up being the victim of some ephemeral bully.

    The richest and most powerful people on the planet are not being persecuted.

    They are just not used to being called out on their bullshit and are too weak and immature to accept being told they are wrong sometimes.

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      They don’t want free speech they want to force your eyes and ears open, strap you to the chair and shout all the things they wanna say to you 24/7 also you’re not allowed to do anything but agree.

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    «Me plugging my ears as I walk by crazy right wing protestors»

    “Ahhh! You’re not listening to me! You’re not respecting my freedom of speech! And if you tell your friends that I’m an asshole and to avoid my ramblings, then you hate free speech!”

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    I mean yeah this guy is some sort of narcissistic of something. You won’t see him self reflecting.

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    I honestly dont understand why anyone cares about or how twitter would lose funding. It feels so masturbatory to say you just want elons stuff to fail just because dont like him as a person which is also weird to me 🤷

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      This is a really lame perspective you have. If Musk was a country he’d be the 50th wealthiest country in the world.

      Wanting to see someone with that much power lose as much as of that power as possible is socially responsible imo. Trying to minimize the opinion of people who are pissed at him using his power to signal boost hate speech as “just because they don’t like him” is a really fucking empty headed dumb fuck analysis.

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        Wanting to see someone with that much power lose as much as of that power as possible is socially responsible imo.

        Okay. Whatever you tell yourself to justify being pointlessly hateful.

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          Pointlessly hateful? LMAO.

          My point is about the consolidation of wealth and the ultra rich hoarding that much wealth/power is bad for society.

          I think Musk should have to had to pay so much in taxes he should worth, only, 50 billion dollars. If you call that “hate” you should learn about what hate actually is. Clown.

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      I just love it when rich people don’t get their way, despite throwing tons of money at it.

      It is kind of my fetish.

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      On one hand I agree schadenfreude is a dangerous thing that one should be careful about how they engage in

      On the other hand he wields a LOT of power over our discussions as a society because he owns a successful platform. If twitter fails it takes away some of his power to be a shithead and to shape our discussions in a way that sucks (ie, inviting everyone to be bigots and to be cruel to their fellow humans on a scale that’s frankly kinda horrifying)

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      Nah free speech means the government won’t stop you. It doesn’t mean we gotta listen to you or give you a platform for the hate whether it’s irl or online. Gotta read that first ammendment a bit more throughly my dude

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        Lol cracks me up that there are people out there thinking free speech means people have to pay them advertising money no matter what you say.

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          I mean let’s be real, to 90% of these right wing nuts “freedom of speech” really just means “freedom to force other private parties to support, amplify, and endorse MY speech as I stifle the speech of those who disagree.”

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          You misread me, first ammendment protects you from the govt, not from others refusing to listen to you. Man you’re dense

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          In that “far away land”, yes, because the meaning of freedom of speech (as people, with great fatigue, have tried to tell you) is about consequences related to the government of that “far away land”

          If we want to get to the heart of the matter, that people aren’t fond of your Musk fellating, inceldom riddled comment history that you possibly, unfortunately, decided to export from some sewer on Reddit, that’s not them hating free speech.

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              The meaning of those words is absolutely some law, whether natural or governmental, and depends entirely upon the context of the power structure involved.

              If you got slapped in your goofy ass face every time you said, well let me just pull up a real, actual quote from you:

              "Women do not want to help men but they expect help from them.

              That doesn’t make me miserable that’s just accepting the world the way it is and it’s a life lesson men tend to learn the hard way."

              If they slapped your extremely goofy, unserious face and called you a generalizing, pathetic, and small person, that wouldn’t be them hating free speech.

              Hell, they’d be exercising it! How wonderful!

              Now, if the government came to your door and impounded your 4 wheel drive incompetence with relationships, then you might have a victorious day in court.

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      You’re free to speak. Other people are free to hate you for what you say. That’s how it works.

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          Freedom of speech isn’t freedom from consequences. If you say awful things people will use their free speech to tell you you’re an awful person. That isn’t hating free speech. It’s hating you. Hating you isn’t illegal.

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          Dude… They’re not disliking freedom of speech, they’re disliking the contents of your speech. You’re free to say whatever the hell you want. We’re also free to call you an idiot if we’re so inclined.

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          Do you believe that Ben Shapiro is merely speaking his mind when tries to argue that allowing children to transition will increase the suicide rate when literally all available data about trans children shows the exact opposite? Do you believe that Steven Crowder is merely speaking his mind when he “proves” global warming is fake by showing that Antarctic ice levels are higher in October than they were the preceding August while ignoring the steady downward year-over-year trend modulated by the seasons? Do you believe that Donald Trump was merely speaking his mind when he called for his followers to march on the white house, or, more recently, called immigrants vermin?

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              i think everyone should have the right of freedom of speech as long as it doesnt impact someone elses freedoms.

              If you are against people using their freedom of speech in an attempt to take away the rights and freedoms of other people, then I’d think you’d find that most people do support freedom of speech the way that you do.