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This is such a bullshit article. Yeah the NRA is a terrible organization and there are a lot of reasons to attack them. But attacking the educational, gun safety and shooting sports programs that they offer or fund is complete bullshit and is detrimental to the public good.
This is like saying we shouldn’t offer driving classes because one day a student might get into an accident.
Correlation is not causation.
Out of all the things to criticise the NRA for, this is the last
The problem is that the NRA also actively blocks things that will actually deal with the problem, like gun controls.
Gun control wasn’t the subject of the article nor was it what I posted about. Why are you trying to change the subject?
The NRA and school shootings are the subject of the article, and gun control is an effective solution to the latter that the NRA continuously tries to block via any means necessary.
To use your example, it is like if those that trained people to drive also tried to block any sort of driving license program, believing that literally anyone should be allowed behind the steering wheel of a car.
The article focuses on the funding of gun safety, marksmanship and 4A courses by the NRA. Which is arguably one of the better applications that the NRA supports. You are either terrible at English comprehension or more likely simping hard for the anti 2A crowd.
Your analogy is terrible, US citizens have a 2A right to bear arms. This is written into the constitution. There is no such clause for a drivers license.
Really? You’re unable to find the correlation between this article, which talks about a school shooting, and the NRA, which has repeatedly resisted gun control efforts at every step of the way, to ridiculous degrees.
Sure, the NRA offering gun safety lessons is laudable, but in the context of also being the single organisation most obstructive of gun law reform, even when gun laws as they currently stand make such incidents ridiculously easy to commit, it doesn’t exactly wash the blood off the NRA’s hands. It’s like lauding Hitler for building the autobahn avd ignoring all the other things he did.
Your analogy is terrible, US citizens have a 2A right to bear arms.
The US constitution dies not grant an unlimited and absolute right to bear arms. There are plenty of guns and other weaponry that you are not allowed to own as a civilian, and plenty of other restrictions such as red flag laws, and licensing programs such as open carry permits.
Why would a general firearms license not fall under that purview?
Really? You’re unable to find the correlation between this article, which talks about a school shooting, and the NRA, which has repeatedly resisted gun control efforts at every step of the way, to ridiculous degrees.
You use this word correlation but I don’t think it means what you think it means. What kind of direct correlation is there between the NRA and school shootings? Please give specific examples of NRA funded or trained shooters.
Sure, the NRA offering gun safety lessons is laudable, but in the context of also being the single organisation most obstructive of gun law reform, even when gun laws as they currently stand make such incidents ridiculously easy to commit, it doesn’t exactly wash the blood off the NRA’s hands. It’s like lauding Hitler for building the autobahn avd ignoring all the other things he did.
Once again you’ve deliberately chosen to gloss over the fact that the classes the NRA provides are for the public good so you can push your anti-2A agenda. Normally I would stop reading when an individual cites Hitler in any debate. It is lazy, low IQ and diminishes the crimes that Hitler perpetrated on humanity. But I’ll make an exception in this case.
_The US constitution dies not grant an unlimited and absolute right to bear arms. There are plenty of guns and other weaponry that you are not allowed to own as a civilian, and plenty of other restrictions such as red flag laws, and licensing programs such as open carry permits.
Why would a general firearms license not fall under that purview?_
There are many standing laws on the books that violate the 2A. Fortunately there have been a number of cases rolling back these infringements on our collective rights.
Below are a few examples:
VanderStok v. Garland. Mock b. Garland. NYSRPA v. Bruen District of Columbia v. Heller McDonald v. Chicago
Just because a law is on the books does not make it unconstitutional. The same can be said for Jim Crow laws, antigay, sodomy, and antitrans laws that have been on the books for decades.
You use this word correlation but I don’t think it means what you think it means. What kind of direct correlation is there between the NRA and school shootings? Please give specific examples of NRA funded or trained shooters.
I’ve just spelled out the correlation, it’s not my fault you’re incapable or unwilling to read.
Let me dumb it down so that everyone can understand:
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school shooter goes on a rampage with an easily acquired gun.
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understandable national outrage occurs, talks about new gun laws start taking place
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right wing organisations, most prominently the NRA, lobby against these laws and try to turn public attention against them through barefaced lies (eg: blame on videogames, media, and espousal of a bunch of theories that are either proven bunk such as ‘good guy with a gun’ or plain don’t apply (‘good guy with a gun’ in a school setting, where the good guy with a gun simply isn’t there, are too few in number and skills to contain the situation, or would simply be mistaken for a hostile actor by other good guys with guns.))
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proposed fixes get delayed or scrapped
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thoughts and prayers but no real action
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go to step 1 and repeat thousands of times over.
Most other countries got off this shitshow ride the first or second time this happened. The US is the only first world country where this still happens, because they don’t put in gun control, and literal murder machines can be bought as easily as a games console.
There are many standing laws on the books that violate the 2A. Fortunately there have been a number of cases rolling back these infringements on our collective rights.
And the result is more bloodshed. How is that fortunate?
Go back and read the 2A again. All of it. Notice something peculiar? The 2A explicitly states that it exists in light of the fact that armed individuals were a necessity for national security. It was written back when the US didn’t have a standing military or police force. Now that it does, there’s a pretty strong argument that the 2A, as written, should no longer apply.
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Firstly, Its in the Bill of Rights, not the Constitution. Secondly, it is my opinion that District of Columbia v. Heller is bad law and needs to be looked at again with a modern and ethical perspective (You as an individual are not a well regulated militia). Other countries dont have nearly as many preventable problems with firearms as the US does, but we are unwilling to discuss the problem in good faith because of a single line.
Driving a car is not a valid comparison to using a gun.
You are correct guns are constitutionally protected and should not be regulated or licensed.
“well regulated militia”. 3 words that are not there by accident.
I agree not there by accident at all! We should have well regulated militias in every State County and City!
Well regulated meant well supplied, trained and fully manned in the late 1700. I’d love to see local armories in every city with with ranges fully stocked with state supplied ammunition and firearms that are available to the public!
https://constitutioncenter.org/images/uploads/news/CNN_Aug_11.pdf
Yes, because what America REALLY needs are school shooters with better aim.
So glad to see the NRA are finally training the kids. It’s always been obvious that the main reason for school shootings is that the children have been failing to protect themselves. After all, more adults with guns has greatly reduced the number of adult shootings, because why wouldn’t it? Good guys with the guns always stop bad guys with guns.
the next american generation will be trained from kindergarten to live with a war mentality. they’ll train in escape tactics, how to be always aware of exits, how to identify the sound of gun fire, and this will be a constant presence in their daily lives.
also those kids will buy guns on mass once they reach adulthood, after all they have been trained from birth that they live in a war against an always present unknown enemy.
Information, not criticism. It’s written “en masse”
This isn’t something new the NRA has always had a role in training Americans to shoot. This article is just complaining that they let 4-H kids learn firearms safety and shoot a 22lr. Which they’ve been doing for decades.
It’s 4-H. That is not exactly a radical organization.
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As a teacher of children I’m beginning to think maybe it actually would be better if fancy LLMs just took my job.
I’m actually beginning to believe the setting for Ready Player One. In the next ten years it might just be cheaper and safer for children to be given a nice VR headset and attend school fully virtually, hell they might actually get a better education since it’ll be easier to mute misbehaving children.
Not exactly going to work for kids under 12 or so, and there’s probably lots of eye strain associated with being in a VR headset for hours upon hours, but hey at least the risk of being shot will be lower since there’s clearly no way in hell that we will get laws to control weapons.
You assume that the primary purpose of public schools is to educate children. It’s not. It’s free daycare so both parents can go to work and contribute to gdp while barely treading water even with two incomes.
That was the primary reason I mentioned the whole age thing. Teenagers really don’t need a babysitter.
You’d have to fundamentally change how education is presented first in order to get 15-18 year olds to put on a headset for most of the day without “losing connection”, having “audio issues”, dogs “chewing cables”, or homework “getting corrupted”, etc.
oh no
which mass shooting? did I miss yet another one in the pile of headlines about mass shootings??
The one in Maine on Oct. 25th.
Another mass shooting! How PERFECT! I can finally pretend to care about the Constitution again! I’m a Pro Life Republican!
I’m surprised the NRA aren’t giving away a free gun to every family member over the age of 6 months. /s
Free? They would never do that.
Got to keep those gun manufacturer profits high.
That would NEVER happen.
If the NRA had its way, the kid would be fitted with a holster in the womb.
They wouldn’t pay for the surgery. Why cover medical costs when you can buy more guns!
They wouldn’t pay for the surgery, but they’d spend millions to pay for the politicians who would sign-in-to-law a mandate that it must be done “for the safety of the children”. It’s then up to the parent to comply with that law at their own cost.
The end game makes a lot more sense when you factor in the GQP’s forced-birth policies.
That worked fine in Serbia ;(
The only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good boy with a gun.
They’re giving guns to dogs now?!
UwU
It’s a line from a Sacha Baron Cohen thing where he was making right wingers look stupid. I guess I assumed it was more well known than it is!
The only way to stop school shooters is to arm students with guns?
/s
That’s not sarcastic. You fools can’t even use that bollocks right.
I’m as anti-NRA as anybody, but 4-H teaching kids to shoot is not a big deal. I taught at a high school in Los Angeles that used to have a shooting range. It also had a marching band. Both are gone. Cutbacks, focus on the required classes, no money for frilly electives.
As someone from Belgium (a country where there’s quite a lot of firearms in the hands of hunters and farmers (especially where I grew up) and where FN Herstalt is located), it sounds absolutely insane to have a shooting range at a school.
Well, it was a long time ago, and it probably had to do with the ROTC, which was a program to prepare high school students for military service.
Hahaha so they have better skill in the future when they snap and kill half their school.
Omg republican really do be thinking with their wallets and not their pea sized brains
