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    Not a great day for social media. Twitter down, Reddit has not 3rd party apps, Lemmy is being hugged to death by people bailing Reddit and Twitter.

    I guess I’ll go outside.

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        Maybe they should update the join-lemmy.org page to suggest joining smaller instances. They put popular instances at the top and presumably that’s what everyone wants to join.

        Edit: and then randomize the list of smaller instances to further distribute the load.

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        I didn’t realize this until I started self-hosting my own instance, but if you don’t join one of the 3 large instances (beehaw, world, ml) then you miss out on a LOT of historical content. The way federation works is that it only pulls in new post/comments after someone on your instance subscribes to a community on another instance. So if you find a cool new community on another instance, you can subscribe to see any new posts and comments, but you won’t see any of the old content at all unless you manually search for the post/comment.

        Long winded way of saying, the best user experience (content wise) is always going to be on the largest instances unless Lemmy/ActivityPub changes how content backfilling works.

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        It’s just the fediverse. My timeline is nothing but hugs and love. :3

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            I guess there has to be a lowest common denominator instance. Not at all a bad thing, it leaves the dedicated communities out of their inevitable implosion range which still having access.

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        Really everyone always wants to be on the most popular “site” instance to ensure it will just not go away suddenly. After that they go for ones that give them a cool @ domain name. This is how email and Jabber/XMPP worked for years. Modern fediverse should be using some form of modern distributed identity, not 1965 email style identities.

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          Yes, I figured. My domain name is not as cool as “shitjustworks” or whatever. But I can say that my instance is gonna stay for as long as Lemmy as software is supported, no matter if there are many users or not. I strongly believe that FOSS and the Fediverse are the future and I want to give something to the community by hosting the instance.

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            I went through the evolution of email… At first it was universities, then ISPs etc. Having your identity tied to them SUCKED every time you no longer qualified for an account, changed providers ETC. I was a hotmail user before Microsoft purchased it, and an early beta Gmail user… While this is some centralisation these itentied have lasted decades, where AT THE TIME AOL was the (this is the biggest, never going away) option. Now almost no one has an @AOL.com address.

            Point being that no matter the current promise your instance could DIE if you get ill or can’t afford to host it etc. The model is BAD. I have said it before and will say it again, Identity SHOULD NOT be tied to instances, AND it needs some form of bot and trust system built in.

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              Except unlike email, it is not a big deal to change accounts on lemmy, almost all interation happens in communites not user to user.

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                It matters if you create a community and are the only mod, or are a mod etc etc. You basically lose that if you lose your identity .

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              I partially agree with you. But my plan is to hand over the entire thing should I fall ill or get tired of hosting and maintaining it.

              But in the end, everything’s gonna go away. Even Reddit, like all the platforms before it. That’s just the way things work.

              What would be better, though? Having a P2P-like system where everything is truly federated? Like… Everyone has all accounts and all content at all times? I don’t know how this would work.

              At this point in time, there are clear advantages to the current federated system, but there are also clear disadvantes, like what you’re describing, as well as some other things, like the different rules and moderation techniques of instances, defederation, etc.

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                undefined> What would be better, though? Having a P2P-like system where everything is truly federated? Like… Everyone has all accounts and all content at all times? I don’t know how this would work

                I think something mandatory in the server instances that runs a blockchain (not crypto to be clear but that is how it works) IE every instance server is a validator node. When you create an account you do it from an instance, it gets recorded into the blockchain but at that point you have a lemmy account. You can directly log in on any instance as YOU (kind of like how SAML/OAUTH lets you use a google / microsoft / steam account) and use the services. When you post it is signed with your blockchain info. You could get banned on a specific instance and that gets recorded in the block chain. Other instances could chose to look at that info and decide they don’t want users that have been banned on multiple other instances or on specific trusted instances. Over time your account essentially becomes more or less trusted but the key think is that your YOU and not bound to one instance.

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        Why don’t instances create user caps (at least temporarily) to help spread the load? Seems wild to have unlimited sign-ups when instances max out typical hardware at a couple thousand users.

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      The instance I’m on is working fine, I think the problem is people are gravitating towards the largest 2-3 instances.

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    I truly don’t understand why people keep trying to use Twitter despite open and obvious changes designed to be hostile to users. Not to mention the reliability issues that continue to crop up as a result of axing nearly your entire engineering staff.

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      Some people can’t figure out Mastodon, but I don’t think enough of the people who can’t figure out mastodon are realizing that nothing would be better than twitter. And I mean literally just not doing social media anymore would be a marked improvement over using twitter

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      sunk cost fallacy is a hell of a drug. it’s also why a lot of people stay in bad relationships (friends/romantic/family/etc)

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      Imo, there was no greater news aggregator than 3rd party Twitter apps. I will miss them very much. A couple of my favorite sources are not on Mastodon (yet?) and the 3rd party apps aren’t up to snuff yet. Hopefully we get there one day.

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    I’ve been feeling a significant amount of sadness at the feeling like I’ve now fully lost the 2 places that were my havens for safety and community during the pandemic (Twitter and Reddit). I mostly disconnected a few weeks/months ago, but this weekend feels like the full, official breakup. I wonder if anyone/everyone else is feeling the same?

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      Yesterday felt to me like the day Web 2.0 died. It’s actually rather awkward. Web 2.0 devolved into enshittification, Web 3.0 to many looks to be a scam from the outset, and that leaves us with the Fediverse as the most hopeful continuation of what we liked about Web 2.0. But what is the Fediverse? More of the same as Web 2.0? An entirely new thing? I’ve been coming to view the Fediverse as being Web 2.0.1. It’s a bug fix. The corporations controlling Web 2.0 were the problem, not the idea of a more dynamic and interactive web. The solution isn’t strictly speaking Peer 2 Peer solutions, as many people still want a curated and moderated space, so they’re not dealing with a constant onslaught of dicks and nazis they didn’t ask for (I’m sure someday the Peer 2 Peer networks will have a viable solution for that, but for now, they don’t as far as I can tell). But a networked governance structure in which volunteers own the instances and the users have more choice in how their space is moderated seems like a major fix to what we were seeing before, and I think it’s a major benefit for all of us

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      Totally. I was just thinking about how my very specific life circumstances mean that I’m otherwise distracted and handling it pretty well. But if I were in a rough patch right now this situation would be really, really, really hard. I hope the people in that situation are okay and finding new refuge in places like this ❤

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    I’m overdosing on schadenfreude right now.

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    apareantly theyre agressively rate limiting: 300 posts per day for new accounts, 600 for unverified, 6000 for verified

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      I bet Elon is furiously Googling how to downgrade to a micro/free tier instance on AWS.

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      It’s like having most of the content and communication being hosted by few corporations running on the faith of investors and struggling to realize the expected profits was a bad thing.

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        Wait hold on…

        Cory Doctorow?!?

        The guy who wrote “Unauthorized Bread” Cory Doctorow?

        That makes so much sense.

        BTW if you haven’t given it a read, I’d check out his short story comp called “Radicalized” it’s a great read about the dystopian world that we can have right now if we’re not careful.

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    Just went over to Twitter for the first time in a while, and everyone’s bleating about wanting an invite to Bluesky.

    Meanwhile, Mastodon’s over there just working fine and doing what they want Twitter to do.

    It’s bizarre.

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      Normies are confused by Mastodon and how it works. Tried suggesting it as an alternative on /r/worldnews and most people just said that it was too confusing; one guy said that he couldn’t login but turns out he forgot which instance he had signed up for originally.

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    I have to say the silver lining in all of this is that decentralized forms of community building are on the rise, and this is a good thing. I don’t think it’s healthy to centralize all data and power in the hands of private companies that can decide to, oh you know, kill api access etc.

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    Good! It’s time to change to something with better potential than twatter