UFC star Paige VanZant launched her OnlyFans account in 2020 and now charges fans $9.99 per month to view her photos, saying she's made "life-changing money."

UFC star Paige VanZant said OnlyFans allows her to make ‘life-changing money’

  • stella@lemm.ee
    54·
    1 year ago

    I think it’s sad seeing this considering all the women I know who have been suckered into making OFs only to make a few bucks from weirdos saving their nudes.

    Porn is the same, really. Most people who do porn make very little money from it, but still have to deal with their naked bodies on the internet.

    • polle@feddit.de
      34·
      1 year ago

      Seems like you should only do fans (and similar pages) if you already have a fan base in some other area. Otherwise it will end like you said.

      • captainlezbian@lemmy.world
        25·
        1 year ago

        Or if you just actually want to do sex work. It’s like camming. It can be a hobby where you pick up a couple bucks here and there. If you want it to be a job it’s going to be more like trying to make it as a musician or actor.

        In general if you’re more or less normal you aren’t going to make any real money as a sex worker. Either you aren’t famous or attractive enough or you aren’t willing to do what it’ll take to make better money or you won’t settle for the little you’ll get or be willing to deal with people who have odd fetishes, possibly of your body type.

    • ryathal@sh.itjust.works
      31·
      1 year ago

      All internet media is basically the same on pay. Most people on you tube or twitch don’t make much either.

    • ARk@lemm.ee
      8·
      1 year ago

      Yep, even more so if they had to due to unfortunate reasons. Though not entirely, it works the same way as any average person starting something likestreaming and thinking of making it big quick.

      I reckon she only had this much success due to having some level of popularity to begin with.

    • stella@lemm.ee
      107·
      1 year ago

      Trust me, it’s not.

      For every story like this, there are literally millions where regular women make next to nothing for their nudes.

      Most normal women with OFs usually end up having a few subs from people they know who just want to distribute their nudes among peers. Imagine thinking you’re going to make thousands when you end up making less than $100, and now everyone has your nudes.

      That’s the reality for most people on OF. And it’s sad.

      • Aceticon@lemmy.world
        23·
        1 year ago

        It’s all down to exposure and even minor celebrity status can be leveraged to generate lots of views.

        You see a similar thing in the acting community: celebrity actors aren’t really better as actors than lots of unknowns out there (the quality all around of acting in places with very good acting colleges and a strong acting tradition, such as Britain, is really good) and often you get stories of people’s careers taking off due to a mix of luck and persistence, and once people are in the public eye their careers pretty much shift gears (for reference, the average actor in the UK earns in average less than minimum wage from Acting).

      • TheControlled@lemmy.world
        16·
        1 year ago

        If you consider “people having your nudes bad”. I’m sure some do/have but many just don’t care. My friend’s sister has one. I subbed to support her and because she’s hot. Unsubbed later because she was too expensive. Hung out with her at a party once and she didn’t give a flying shit I had seen her buck naked. We just talked about normal stuff.

  • Etterra@lemmy.world
    32·
    1 year ago

    It’s amazing what showing your boobs can do for a woman. It’d be infuriating if not for all the gender-based discrimination and life endangering bullshit they also have to deal with. Instead it’s just another example of why we deserve the extinction we’re currently bringing down in ourselves.

    • Godric@lemmy.world
      31·
      1 year ago

      “Women showing their tits online is another reason humans deserve extinction” was not on tonight’s bingo card.

      • KredeSeraf@lemmy.world
        10·
        1 year ago

        “women feeling the legit need to expose themselves for others to make a good living is another reason we deserve extinction” might be a better explaination.

        But even if not for that, there’s lots of other reasons.

        • Godric@lemmy.world
          1·
          1 year ago

          Oh jeeze, that’s rough, a person showing themselves online for money, society must be truly be breaking down for that

        • daed@lemmy.world
          1·
          1 year ago

          They don’t need to expose themselves online to make a good living though. I think it’s important to distinguish that - this is an easy and accessible way for most women to make a few extra bucks or a good living, but they don’t need to and there are plenty of options to make a good living that don’t require showing off your naked body out there.

          The middle class is being squeezed and many if not all jobs should pay more than what they do - not trying to debate that here. But to pretend women have no other options or somehow feel a need to do OF… Disingenuous at best.

            • daed@lemmy.world
              1·
              1 year ago

              OF has only existed for 7 years. The lower and middle class has been struggling for much longer than this. Wages have been stagnant for much longer than this. What did these women with ‘no other options’ do before OF? What do the struggling men do?

              People almost always have options… They just may not like them. Let’s please all stop pretending these women are forced into or have no other option than OF. They are choosing to because it is a convenient way to make extra income. It’s a convenient side hustle. Why would they spend time creating a product to sell or learning a trade or skill when they can point a camera at themselves? Much faster and easier. And there’s nothing wrong with that - let’s just be honest when we have these conversations.

              • queermunist she/her@lemmy.ml
                2·
                1 year ago

                What did these women with ‘no other options’ do before OF? What do the struggling men do?

                They were forced to do other degrading things. Or illegal things. Or both.

                They still are; but they used to, too.

                Why would they spend time creating a product to sell or learning a trade or skill when they can point a camera at themselves?

                They literally are creating a product to sell. Camming is a skill. Don’t shit on sex workers.

                let’s just be honest when we have these conversations.

                Okay! All jobs are degrading! Your choices under capitalism are just different ways to sell your body and time and mind for a pittance, there is no dignified choice to make where you don’t have to sell yourself to survive. This isn’t new, OF is just a modern innovation of the same thing.

          • KredeSeraf@lemmy.world
            2·
            1 year ago

            I’ll tell all those women who have tried basically everything else and still ended up there that because it’s not literally their only option they should just be okay with it. That our society has this problem to the tune of thousands or tens of thousands who all claim it’s the only way to make a livable wage is an enormous problem and censoring it with needless and pedantic clarifications like this is a big part of why our society is this way.

        • Godric@lemmy.world
          4·
          1 year ago

          I genuinely feel rough for those with the incel mindset. It’s a no-hope, bitter mindset, where objectively good things for them are ideologically bad.

          Women having sex outside of marraige? Bad to an incel, while they should be celebrating the potential for casual sex. Chicks posing naked online? Bad for an incel, even though that’s their fap material.

          MFs literally just need a few nights off their ideology to not have sour grapes.

          • CaptnNMorgan@reddthat.com
            1·
            1 year ago

            I think it’s more people confusing what other people do with what they want in a partner. They see someone they would want as a partner, they find out all sorts of dudes have been in her and that turns them off so they get irrationally mad. All in a matter of seconds

    • TheBlue22
      9·
      1 year ago

      When I left reddit, I really thought I would see less incel shit. Guess I was wrong. How the fuck did this get 25 upvotes?!

      • jasory@programming.dev
        1·
        1 year ago

        Plenty? Some societies have partial nudity as the norm, but this is the far minority, and even then it’s partial.

    • tswiftchair@lemm.ee
      24·
      1 year ago

      It’s so cool that we are Capitalism is giving young women the idea that they can make money by selling their body. I’m sure that is great for society.

      FTFY

      Whether doing sex work, manual labor, or a desk job, you are selling your body for profit. If you have a problem with that then you have a problem with Capitalism.

      • Godric@lemmy.world
        3·
        1 year ago

        Neat friend, can you please clarify what it is we are doing with our bodies under not-capitalism?

            • GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca
              1·
              1 year ago

              It’s kind of funny hearing you say that when some of the most famous paintings and statues are of people’s naked bodies. I’m not saying I’d do it or that people would want me to or that they won’t regret it any less than I regret some of the decisions I’ve made, but the biggest negative impact from doing so is social stigma from people who think doing so makes you less valuable. I’ll leave it up to you to decide if you’re going to stigmatize adults who are making choices about their life that pose no harm to anyone who hasn’t consented.

                • GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca
                  2·
                  1 year ago

                  Okay, and? Is there someone forcing you to watch porn? Is there someone forcing you to make it? If not, then how about worry about your life and let other people worry about theirs.

    • Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee
      16·
      1 year ago

      You mean selling your body for fighting in UFC?

      The story of the opposite - she makes more money not selling her body!

    • buddhabound@lemmy.worldEnglish
      12·
      1 year ago

      Yo… You think people never thought about selling sex before this was posted on Lemmy?

      This is like giving people the idea of the wheel. I’d be willing to bet that human beings bartered for sex before they bartered for food or water.

    • Salamendacious@lemmy.worldOP
      11·
      1 year ago

      In my opinion people should be able to do what they want with their own bodies (with the exception of meth, crack, etc) my problem with this only fans situation is that it’s just underscoring that our society only seems to value women for their sexuality. I don’t follow UFC but assuming she’s good at what she does it’s sad to me that society values her body more than her abilities. The same thing goes for the only fans teachers. I just wished we valued people for their skills and education more than their flesh. Like I said do what you want with your own body though.

      • Thief_of_Crows@sh.itjust.works
        4·
        1 year ago

        Why don’t I have the right to do whatever drugs I like? I know what I’m getting into, and it’s my body. A lot of psychiatrists preach the benefits of mushrooms and acid for mental health. And meth and crack certainly aren’t as powerful as mushrooms or acid.

        • Salamendacious@lemmy.worldOP
          1·
          1 year ago

          My personal opinion is that there are some chemicals that are so detrimental to a person that society has the obligation to limit their use. Also, there is no articulable right to drugs in the Constitution except alcohol through the 21st amendment.

            • Salamendacious@lemmy.worldOP
              1·
              1 year ago

              the Constitution and decisions by the supreme Court determines what your legal rights are. Your opinions are your own and you can base them on whatever you want

                • Salamendacious@lemmy.worldOP
                  1·
                  1 year ago

                  So there are two things at play here: rights and opinions. Legal rights in America are based on the constitution and the decisions made by the supreme Court. I’m not saying that they’re correct or not; justified or not; or ethical or not. I’m just making a statement of fact that’s where rights originate from in US law.

                  Opinions can be based on whatever you want. You are free to agree with or disagree with both the Constitution and the supreme Court. You can consider them valid or invalid institutions.

                  I’m not trying to tell you that you should be of a particular opinion or not.

                • Salamendacious@lemmy.worldOP
                  8·
                  1 year ago

                  Your original comment:

                  The reason porn pays is because so few woman are willing to give up their dignity for the sake of temporary cash flow. If everyone did porn, people would be making scraps.

                  You’re making a basic supply and demand argument. As supply goes down (i.e. becomes scarce) and assuming demand remains constant the cost will increase.

                  If you’re selling apples. And 100 people want apples. The price you charge will fluctuate depending on how many apples you have. If you have 10 the cost goes up. If you have 1,000 the cost goes down.

                  My argument is pornography is not scarce. Meaning there’s a lot of it available (on the market) so I disagree with your assessment as to why “porn pays”

    • captainlezbian@lemmy.world
      9·
      1 year ago

      Do you think that young women don’t figure it out on their own? I’m not saying this is a responsible article, but it’s more like a glowing article about how much oil field workers make. But sex work is old and young women have always figured it out.

        • kofe@lemmy.ml
          9·
          1 year ago

          You sure are doing women a favor by fear mongering over it and acting like it’s something shameful. With modern tech all you need is a picture of someone’s face anyway. And I say this as someone who has had content posted without my knowledge or consent. What exactly do you want me to do, live my life being “haunted” by this or tell people like you to fuck off and quit making it worse?

        • cassie 🐺English
          5·
          1 year ago

          Not on OF, but I’ve got nudes out there. I really don’t give a shit who sees em. I’m not ashamed of them. Where do you get the idea that irreparably damages women?

  • Limit@lemm.ee
    17·
    1 year ago

    OK but she wouldn’t be as popular and wouldn’t have made that much on OF if it weren’t for her time in the UFC. I mean she’s hot yea, but she’s famous because of her mma career.