Because she isn’t? Sure she’s better than any of the Republicans, but that’s a stupid low bar and doesn’t really tell you much. Her record in California is abysmal, she had zero support in her campaign, and she’s done fuck all since she became VP. She’s essentially a glorified security barrier to stand between the nuclear codes and whatever asshat the Republicans end up shoving in as Speaker in the event that Biden goes the way of all flesh during his term.
Agree, but dammit all if I didn’t come here to just dap you for the final turn of phrase. Haven’t heard that in ages, well done.
The last time I heard that phrase was the Gojira song from years ago
She’s essentially a glorified security barrier to stand between the nuclear codes and whatever asshat the Republicans end up shoving in as Speaker
To be fair, that’s pretty much all the VP really does. Pretty much the only point of having a VP is to have someone ready in case the President mysteriously drops dead or something. They could eliminate the entire position tomorrow and it wouldn’t change a thing.
They also break ties in the senate. And Harris is tied for the most tie breaks.
Yes that’s their only real official job but quite a few have projects they work on. Things they are passionate about. Things they push for.
I think the main issue here has nothing to do with Harris , it’s all about Biden and his age. When Obama tapped Biden to be his VP, he did it partially to counteract the idea that Obama was too young and inexperienced for the job. So we got to hear about Biden’s leadership qualities right away, as well as his influence on decisions. Obama was essentially borrowing Biden’s experience, he gained directly from having Biden involved.
The Biden/Harris dynamic is different, because Biden is so old, he needs to continually prove that he had the stamina to govern, wholly, on his own. Pushing off any significant part of his agenda to Harris might start talk that his facilities are slipping.
This upcoming election is sure to be Biden’s last time in front of voters, though. If he wins, he is safe to spend the next 4 years burnishing Harris’ credentials for 2028, because at that point it doesn’t matter anymore.
That’s a nice sugarcoating of the Obama/Biden situation, but the reality was that Biden the old white man was chosen in an attempt to calm down racists over a young black man president.
that’d be one cynical way of interpreting it. Another less condescending take, and I think more based in reality, was that Obama was a senator for a brief time before elevation to the white house. He needed someone experienced in both getting legislation passed and handling all the interpersonal relationships a president must forge - and they got the ideal guy, Joe “I’ve lived on cap hill for 20 fucking years” Biden. Joe understood the people and the legislative machinery in a way that a jr senator simply had little experience with. Together they made a pretty groovy combo.
Obama won twice so despite some racists not liking it, the nation as a whole chose him as the best candidate. It can happen again but I doubt that candidate is Harris.
That’s the thing, the country wanted change and change is what Obama promised. Race plays a part but in ways many don’t account for and it doesn’t play as much a role in other ways that many think it does. The same is true for gender. Some like to claim Hillary lost because of her gender, but they don’t account for her messaging that the status quo is fine. The person who was promising change in that presidential race was her opponent, Trump, who ended up winning. This is not a mere coincidence.
that’d be one cynical way of interpreting it. Another less condescending take, and I think more based in reality, was that Obama was a senator for a brief time before elevation to the white house. He needed someone experienced in both getting legislation passed and handling all the interpersonal relationships a president must forge - and they got the ideal guy, Joe “I’ve lived on cap hill for 20 fucking years” Biden. Joe understood the people and the legislative machinery in a way that a jr senator simply had little experience with. Together they made a pretty groovy combo.
Typical Dem - bad at politics, abysmal messaging, just there to say “oops the repugs did it again, darn if only we could have raised more money and done something to stop them!”
To Harris’ credit she has attempted to fight for women’s healthcare access, women’s inclusion in STEM, etc…she just sucks at telling anyone about it. And the rumors about how she treats her staff are super cringe if true.
It’s the perpetual double standard. Qualifications are important. So let’s talk about Trump and George W Bush. How were they in any way shape or form qualified? Bush didn’t even finish his national guard service. Trump doesn’t understand why soldiers die for their country. Both of those twats shouldn’t ‘qualify’ for president.
Don’t compare spam with shit and tell me I should be happy to eat spam.
Unfortunately sir I don’t get to set the menu, only serve it up. Please speak with the DNC otherwise.
That’s part of what is so frustrating about Harris - she is qualified, but doesn’t make her case. Trump will straight up tell MAGA that only he can protect them from the deep state transing their kids, and they lap it right up.
It’s just bizarre how bad Dems are at messaging…maybe they suffer from being in the Washington bubble and constantly being reassured they’re the greatest ever, I don’t know. This consistently hamstrings their party by failing to lead, and instead settling for “at least we’re not them.” Newsflash ya idgits - we’re all Americans.
That’s because the US is dysfunctional. Just like always looking for abusive relationships, when someone normal comes around we aren’t prepared because we are used to doing coke of a bare ass and then wrestling a grizzly.
US politicians are about getting attention through shock and pushing the envelope because the people demand entertainment rather than what it should be about. Governing people and companies.
She was super vocal during the 2020 campaign but once elected she went silent. What the hell happened?
She just seems like an awful person who has all the charisma of Hilary Clinton. Her poll numbers dropped the more people heard her speak in the primary for a reason. She had that one early moment she called Biden racist and it got her the VP slot.
She has no business being a prominent politician. She’s unlikable, and has no platform or track record. Hopefully Biden survives his second term and she disappears into the shadows after she gets some of the lowest primary turn out you’ve ever seen for a VP in the next primary.
Politics is full of awful people. JFC look at Trump, look at the entire GOP - it’s chuds like Jordan all the way down.
Comparing Harris to Hillary Clinton honestly only elevates her in the eyes of prog libs and true believer dems. but cute whiney pout you got going there. She had an excellent track record in California, let’s talk about Trump’s track record lol. Or GWB’s service record.
JFC just say you don’t like the lady because she’s a woman and she’s black, if you were honest with yourself instead of fabricating things to whine about I’d give you a modicum of respect. Your post reads like a best-of chuds post from the 2020 election.
In the 2020 primary, she got fewer votes than Andrew Yang in her own home state. Not extremely promising as far as electability.
Her track record in California is arresting parents for their kids being truant, and basically being a cop. I’d love to like her, I’m also half Indian and my kids went to the same elementary school as her but I’m really not a fan.
Man, even Hilary has more charisma than Kamala
I’m biased in that I didn’t think she was ready to be Vice President.
https://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article233375207.html
But her issues now appear to be that she’s not liked even (especially?) among her own staff.
But her issues now appear to be that she’s not liked even (especially?) among her own staff.
That’s been her issue for years. She was wildly unpopular in the primaries last time. God help us if she ever gets the nomination for President, because I truly believe she is un-electable nationally.
Ah boo, I really wanted her to do well. And do good.
Yeah, we don’t need a female democratic Trump, thanks.
She sounds like she should just join the maga choir. Get away from the white house, please, vp Harris. Or just become a decent, competent human.
I haven’t heard a single thing about her since she became VP. Has the news just been avoiding her? Has she done anything in the past three years?
I don’t exactly avoid the news, but I know more about some congresspeople / governors / senators than I do about the sitting VP.
Let me preface this by saying I’m not a fan of Harris. Despite this,
- she has been lobbying pretty hard for abortion rights.
- she has actually had some successes in addressing the deep causes of illegal immigration, despite the optics of the symptoms
- she did a good job pushing for voting rights, but was ultimately stymied by fucking Manchin and Sinema
But then again, as people have pointed out, the VP is just kind of sitting there as insurance. I’m so incredibly disappointed in the Dems inability to primary their candidates.
That’s kind of the job of VP, though. She’s been in the news but never in the front.
That’s a failure of the party to not promote her then. Gore got coverage and sponsored legislation as a vp. Cheney spearheaded an entire war. A vp can be in the news cycle if you want them to.
Gore has always been a huge media favorite (even before he became VP), knew how to play the game and loved the attention. Same for Cheney. Some VP are more on the front, but you hadn’t heard much of Biden while he was VP, and Pence… well he was a lap dog until the constitution depended on him.
Can you even tell me who George HW Bush’s VP was? Or Carter’s? Without looking?
Harris doesn’t care about it, it’s not required for her job, and if she doesn’t do a good job we’d probably know about it more than if she did.
You mean VP Potato! Will always remember that before Quayle.
I recall Carter’s veep because I have family who are distantly related to Mondale via marriage. They were all upset when he lost again in the 80s, like, they were gonna get VIP passes to the white house via some elaborate scheme for 4th cousins. lol
Yes I can tell you that. :-)
When Obama was in power Biden just seemed to be the smiling old white uncle that had a couple funny cameos on TV, from my recollection.
Yeah I don’t understand what people expect from a VP. I don’t remember a VP ever being big news for as long as I’ve been alive.
Oh, wait, Cheney. Yeah, maybe a VP being out of the spotlight is a good thing.
Teddy was big as VP, but that’s about it. They spend a lot of their days in the Senate in meetings to help push through legislation and breaking ties whenever they happen.
What does VP Harris stand for? What does she value? I don’t know much about her political philosophy. I’m not invested in her because I don’t know her.
I also ask, what has she accomplished? I honestly don’t know, and it is part of the reason she’s not my preferred Democrat.
have you bothered to find out?
I would recommend reading the article as it devotes a lot of text to discussing this.
One big takeaway is that Harris is uncomfortable with self promotion and more at ease doing the work behind the scenes. Hence her success as a DA, but then trouble standing out during her primary campaign and as VP.
That’s one of the biggest issues with how we do elections. It’s a popularity contest, not a vote for who is actually best suited for the role, hence why we have to even speak about Trump. All celebrity, 0 credentials.
President isn’t a behind the scenes position though. If you can’t handle the spotlight and promotion of a campaign, you can’t handle being the person the president.
That means she’s doing her job. The best VPs are the invisible ones .
Is there any sense whatsoever of Harris having contributed meaningfully in internal deliberations of the executive branch? As VP, Biden played a reasonably active role in debates over, e.g., foreign policy (he was well known as one of the most outspoken doves on Iraq/Afghanistan issues). Even if he didn’t always get his way (actually, he often didn’t), he was there in the room. I don’t get the sense that Harris is pulling her weight to the same extent.
Obama also carved out portfolios for Biden to handle, like overseeing the disbursal of stimulus funds; face it, giving out of goodies is probably the single thing politicians love best. What has Biden carved out for Harris? Solving the border problem—that sounds like he’s screwing her over rather than helping groom her as a successor. Maybe she will next be tasked with resolving the Israel-Palestinian conflict?
Don’t forget fixing voting rights and solving America’s gun problem. Just a couple of easy wins to build her profile.
so what?
I believe their point is that for previous vice presidents people could say “I think X is ready to be president because they did A, B, and C as vice president”, but we don’t really seem to have that for Harris.
The way I see it, Biden has to give 110% and keep everything close to the chest just to keep the right from having more ammo that he’s too old and feeble to be president by the 2024 election.
I have a funny feeling that if Biden were to win 2024, he’d probably spend nearly the entirety of the term with his VP doing most of the work and him sitting back and being more advisory. President is a tough job. Biden is in great shape but 4 years of that is a tough gig on any body.
This will build Harris’s profile for a run in 2028. If successful in 2028 and 2032 she’d effectively be a 3-term president, just one of those terms with Biden holding the bike seat.
that’s a bleak outlook. yes, we need to keep trump out of politics, he is a disaster golem, but harris is boring, as is biden. i’ll vote for biden in 24 solely to exclude the other guy.
Harris probably thinks of herself as the loyal government servant who has always done what is asked of her. The problem is, much of what America does is unpopular with public and people want to find politicians to blame everything on.
I would bet her poll numbers would flip if she spent her VP career pissing off rightwing donors and going left of Biden on popular issues.
Normally the vice president wouldn’t get this kind of attention. She’s getting this attention because Biden is so old, and he is standing again for election. Vice President is a bizarre non-job in the US system but also very important because of its potential.
Kamala Harris is being attacked because there is a serious chance she will be President.
On the one hand she is being attacked and undermined because she’s a woman and she’s black. But on the other hand it is an election and it’s right to think about the vice president, and particularly one who may actually be President.
…or is she simply hated because of her history as a prosecutor and the air of disingenuousness she gives off?
Tbf, I find something to hate about most US politicians, but I really don’t like the idea of it being semi-planned to elect an old fart for a second term so he can die of old age and the appointed VP “inherits” the position.
…the US political system is so fucked up.
Well she’s not a decrepit old white man yet, that’s why.
Until scrolling past this post, and then scrolling back out of confusion, I had completely forgotten she even existed.
It would help if she was a proponent of weed. Sounds like she needs to start toking, regardless, if her own staff hates her.
If I remember correctly she does or did, just thinks other people should be jailed for it and don’t think other people should be released from prison for it, and be used as cheap labour.
She a case of rules for thee not for me.
She’s not related to Trump? Cause it sounds like she’s flying his flag on the left of the aisle
Racism/misogyny
Because she’s a female POC.
The VP works behind the scenes instead of being the focus of attention. So how does anybody know if she’s ready without knowing the details of what she’s been doing since 2020.
We can have Trump on the media to lie his ass off for an hour, but we have to clutch pearls about a Harris presidency?
What have her accomplishments been? In your own words.
Did we know about Biden accomplishments during Obama presidency or after?
Senator, lecturer, civil rights lawyer, spoke out against Iraq.
Not that accomplishments matter that much. Obama had charisma. Harris not so much.
Yes
Nobody likes Biden either. He’s just in because he’s not Trump.
I didn’t like when he was running and didn’t view fire him, but now I realize that he was the best candidate post trump. I don’t think any of the other unexperienced candidates would be able to handle the cards that were dealt with.
What is Biden doing beyond what his handlers tell him to do? Did you listen to Biden’s speech yesterday? It was a sloppy speech claiming support for freedom and democracy while also handing billions over to Israel to commit war crimes. Honestly, the president might as well be an AI-generated avatar. It doesn’t make a difference.
Is there another country in that region that could call itself democratic?
BTW: what Israel has two weeks ago is the equivalent of US 9/11, except taking into account overall population it was even more devastating. So it is no surprise they have blood in their eyes.
Biden still is working to moderate them, for example he convinced Israel to allow humanitarian aid there.
It looks like information that is coming from Hamas is totally unreliable (for example, recent explosion at hospital turned out to be caused by Islamic Jihad, didn’t hit the hospital, but parking lot and didn’t kill 500 people).
You sure are trying to vomit as many talking points as you can in a single post, huh? Yeah, that Biden sure is moderating Israel, asking them to give a little bit of relief in between all the war crimes and ethnic cleansing. You’re right in the 9/11 comparison, in that it was a tragedy that the government took maximum advantage of to carry out things they wanted to do all along.
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You’re talking about Clinton yea?
They don’t know what they’re talking about, just cringing over women and “demographics”.
The reality is that Kamala hasn’t really done anything to piss voters off. She hasn’t had a chance to really swing them either. Hillary was the most qualified candidate for the presidency in a long time. She was nebbish and didn’t always connect with voters either. After a 25 year psyops campaign from republicans accusing her of everything from real estate fraud to eating babies lots of people see Clinton as icky but can’t really give a reason why.
Meanwhile OP is talking about what they do or do not like shoved down their throat.
Or maybe people were tired of the same old shit, seeing as things only seem to get worse and worse, and Hillary being “the most qualified candidate” i.e. the one most status quo, made her unpopular.
Fuck the status quo, and anyone who would cite that as a reason to usher in the racism, fascism and crony politics that republicans embrace.
There were 2 unpaid wars blowing up the deficit an erosion of rights, and the economy melting down under bush… then Obama turned that all around and the nation saw years of record economic growth, low unemployment, progressive judges were nominated and significant legislation passed. The status quo improved under one admin after practically cratering in the republican admin.
Yet, bitching about the status quo is what brought trump. I look back at the hairs people had to split to come up with reasons to whine and moan only for them to vote trump in and make things worse.
Every fucking bit of the status quo got worse With ne’er Hillary’s opponent. Yet still people whine about it. The fact is democrat policies would have improved things but since magic didn’t happen in 8 years across the board it’s Hillary’s fault.
Bottom line is you’re blaming her for things white republican men never ever got blamed for despite their policies being by the reason why the status quo is how it is.
You’ve got it backwards. Desperately wanting to uphold the status quo is what brought Trump’s victory. When people are dissatisfied with the status quo and you’ve got Hillary going on with business as usual while Trump is promising to “drain the swamp” people will go with it even if it’s a lie. There is at least that glimmer of hope that things will be different. It’s a similar messaging as Obama’s “hope and change”.
You talk about 2 unpaid wars, blowing up the deficit, an erosion of rights, and the economy melting down under Bush, but how did Obama fix any of that? After campaigning on change, Obama continued those wars (and added more military action: https://edition.cnn.com/2014/09/23/politics/countries-obama-bombed/index.html), extended and expanded bailouts to wall street and failing industries (while not punishing a single person responsible), and extended and expanded the surveillance state by renewing and increasing the powers under the Patriot Act. Even his signature Affordable Care Act did little to fix issues as health insurance companies posted record profits each year. Obama nominated milquetoast judges at best in a pathetic attempt to look “centrist” and then sat idly by and let republicans rob a justice nomination. He could’ve taken action but he insisted on doing things in the most ineffectual way possible, maybe out of the thought that it was impossible for Hillary to lose.
You’re believing this sob story about Hillary hitting some sort of glass ceiling when in reality she would’ve followed the same damn script as all these other bastards. If you’re trapped in a room, do you bang on the door or the wall? Clearly you bang on what is more likely to give in, that is why it will seem like the democrats are getting more blame, but the reality is they’ve been made into the only solution in this system and it’s a shit solution, but it’s all we got, so we have to apply as much pressure as possible on them.
It’s not backwards to believe that the world doesn’t suddenly change into candy land a mere 8 years from an economic catastrophe that had the country a hair’s breadth away from straight up shutting down ATMs.
But that’s on Hillary? The backwards part is your expectation.
Both bush and Obama had GOP led congresses and throughout his entire admin Obama had to contend with republicans calling any progress socialism while question the president’s own citizenship… while claiming Hillary eats babies…
The US is so big it doesn’t turn on a dime and even GOP fascists couldn’t remake the country in a single term. Yet it’s Hillary’s fault we didn’t live in a Star Trek utopia 8 years after bush fucked the whole country?
So the precious status quo is clearly democrats’ fault for continuously supporting liberal policies that do improve people’s lives all while the GOP nominates “David Duke without the baggage” for house speakership… I got that backwards? Because in 8 years Obama didn’t creat a liberal utopia with a GOP led congress after bush damn near burnt the whole thing down?
Was it just not fast enough of an improvement or did trump have policies that convinced you republicans are better? I’m pretty sure none of that is on Hillary and more on people citing the “status quo” instead having a memory that persists longer than a single presidency.
At some point the fault has to go to stupid fucking voters who think the world changes on a dime… not onto a single candidate. It’s not a sob story involving a glass ceiling as apparently it’s a sob story of lazy morons whining that the status quo doesn’t make them feel good.
Things have only gotten worse so I don’t think it’s backwards to stop blaming Hillary and focus on any idiot who rather than choosing Coke vs Pepsi, requested “one large dog shit please” instead. That’s not really on Hillary and more on a history of moronic goldfish that can’t recall the last recession. It doesn’t have to be the ideal choice for someone to do the right thing. The whole argument is BS, point to a time in human history where the “status quo” was so fucking great ? Meanwhile 2016 was just so icky…
Agreed
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