• raccoona_nongrata@beehaw.org
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    1 year ago

    This is why it’s important to support Palestine in our media, instead of just letting the narrative from the far-right Israeli government dictate how we discuss the issue.

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      Overall I think you’re right. Just like this whole shit is so sad. Both antisemitism and Islamophobia are on the rise.

      Like I could give two fucks about how the governmental bodies and regimes involved are pushing any narrative, when we see the litteral human cost being reported constantly. But, I know I’m not well informed enough to have a good conversation on what should be reported and what is being reported is filled with fluff and skewed to support certain sides.

      The only thing I have been able to tell concretely from the reporting is war is hell.

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        Yes, I think even people not well acquainted with all the history could agree that killing civilians is really not acceptable in any context.

        In regards to Palestine and Hamas, some food for thought is that Hamas was elected in 2006, and the median age in Gaza is 18 years old. The vast majority of people in Gaza weren’t even alive or old enough to cast a vote for Hamas the last time the opportunity was there. Which I think centers the most important part of the conflict to understand; the majority of the people dying, whether they’re Palestinian or Israeli, should not be having to pay the price that they’re paying, they’re just people trying to live their lives.

        You might be interested in this overview of the situation in Palestine/Israel by David Dole, I think he does a good job of framing it all with a humanitarian perspective that clarifies some of the moral confusion that plagues this topic for so many. What many don’t understand is that most of the Israelis and Palestinians don’t want the situation to be this way, it’s smaller groups of loud extremists that keep pushing violence.

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        Agreed, but also importantly; one doesn’t need to support Islam as an ideology, or Judaism (the religion) in order to side with muslims who are suffering or israelis who are suffering etc. It’s very much contextual and about which groups have power in a given context.

        I am, philosophically, very opposed to all the Abrahamic religions, but I will still argue for the rights and humane treatment of muslims in countries where they are a minority under the thumb of other groups and vice versa. For example, in the US there is an evangelical christian hegemony, which leads to frequent struggle with islamophobia, but also it is vice versa for Islamic majority countries.

        So depending on the context, I might argue the cause of one or the other in regards to their rights to live and worship without oppression, because none of it is worth degrading people’s humanity or right to live a peaceful life even though we frequently see the ideologies themselves serve as catalysts for systems of oppression.