It was one of the most bizarre sex crimes in recent Tulsa history. Now it’s over, and both adults involved are headed to prison.
The 12-year-old girl showed up a Hillcrest Hospital in midtown Tulsa in July 2021 in labor.
The father-to-be apparently expected to walk out with the girl and their new bundle of joy.
“They walked in just like any other couple would, excited to deliver their newborn child,” Tulsa Police Officer Danny Bean told FOX23 News in 2021.
When the child, well below the age of consent, showed up to give birth, doctors immediately called Tulsa Police to report what was happening.
As you can see by reading my post, I did not ignore the sexual assault.
However, no one gains from these people being imprisoned and people who want others “punished” should not be in the room when adult decisions are being made.
A vengeance-based prison system is immoral to the point of being evil, and a sign of barbarism in the person advocating for it.
You totally ignored the sexual assault. You said it’s just “stupidity.” Raping an 11-year old girl is a lot more than stupidity. They all need to go to prison.
My comment is pretty short and this should not be difficult to parse. I never forgot nor justified the sexual assault.
My other point is that your personal feelings here
A) are objectively wrong
B) are evil
I wouldn’t say you justified, buuuuuuut, you are literally reducing the punishment of the adults because of some perceived additional damage to the abused child. Which almost totally removes the accountability for the act, the only accountability in this case is separation, which would need to be done either way.
I would say this girl has been so unprotected by her guardians and the rest of the family that separation will be a net positive for her in the future.
You’re characterization of the other person’s totally normal opinion as evil tells me everything I need to know about you tho.
Yes. Punishment is meaningless in the current prison system and has no reason to exist other than to slake the bloodthirst of the populace.
If someone is not an imminent threat to others they should not be imprisoned.
You say the person who proudly rapes kids isn’t a threat to anyone? Go back to Reddit and stop trying to give Lemmy a bad name.
4chan for sure, Reddit wasn’t very pro pedo from my 15 years of experience.
I was there for 13 years and I remember 2 of them having as close to csam as spez felt comfortable with on the front page.
Lmao nah
The dude who was in the relationship to the 12 year old and either didn’t realize his impact or didn’t care, as well as the mother you mean? I would argue they continue to pose a real danger to the daughter, and that man committed an egregious act of abuse on a child who was at worse coerced and at best a victim of a much older person.
I have no trust he won’t engage in this same behavior again. Unless you think it was just an exceptional 12 year old? Like have you met any 12 year olds so wise and beautiful you forgot about the fact they were 12 and just wanted to fuck a baby into them?
Although I totally agree that the prison system in the US is a sort of torture/slave labor system and many of the people engaged in that system are due to circumstances rather than “crime”.
Absolutely not the case here, this is a pretty easy call to make imo!
This would be why I suggested they not be allowed to contact said daughter
So let the dude prey on other children? Or spend resources on closely monitoring him for however long his parole is, same with the mom. But as you noted, these “stupid” people are a continuing risk, right? I don’t know, maybe this is the appropriate use of prison, I do wish there were education and rehabilitation programs that weren’t gutted, but in this case prison solves so many problems for the victim!
Per the article, he was in a “genuine” (I mean, obviously not but still) relationship with the child, after breaking up with the mom.
I don’t see this scenario repeating. Both the adults need serious therapy and obviously the kid does now too.
Once again for the folks in the back…
Without rehabilitation and lower recidivism it only makes things worse not better for society. More and better rehabilitation programs are needed. And we need to do a far, far better job of addressing poverty and child abuse.
Also, privatized prisons stand in the way of achieving the greater good here. Sort of like privatized healthcare and health insurance.
In this case we do gain, because less stupid people will otherwise go scotts free with playing stupid.
The law must consider intent to a certain degree, but it cannot be bent all the way if someone is considered too stupid to think about his own behaviour as problematic.
If we’re putting stupid people in prison for being stupid, were going to need a LOT more prisons.
People have a right to defend themselves. If society refuses to protect us by locking up criminals then you better loosen self defence laws A LOT and prepare for violence.
Nah. You can just stop being afraid all the time
“Hey 11 year old girl, just stop being afraid of being constantly raped by a grown man, it’ll fix everything.”
I’m clearly talking about you, and not her
No you’re not since I’m not the same guy you were replying to. You have some SERIOUS deeply set mental issues that require serious time in therapy, I hope you get the help you so desperately need.
Lmao no I really don’t. Lots of people on Lemmy do seem to, though.
Looking over your post history, you just don’t seem very intelligent, so I forgive you for the now two asinine comments you’ve left me.
Edit: spoke too soon. Hope you get the help you need, and unlike you, I do mean that genuinely.
Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem, and it hurts everyone you love. You’ll get through this.
Jesus fucking Christ. You really think you’re clever here don’t you? Do you really not take a step back and question yourself when everyone is telling you you’re wrong and actively downvoting everything you blurt out of your sick head? The fact you think pulling that comment up is a gotcha’ moment is incredibly telling of how sick you are. GET HELP. JFC you’re actually crazier than the hexbear psychos.
I don’t think it’s a gotcha moment. It’s a moment where I developed a lot of empathy for you, as it explains why some of your comments (and this one) have been so unhinged
I genuinely and sincerely hope you get help. I used to be suicidal and the feeling is horrific.
Not everyone is out to pull gotchas and shit on you. I think you’re a being a bit of a dick, but I don’t hate you. Depressed people often lash out and I get that.
Everyone telling me I’m wrong is just dumb - why would I care about their opinions?
We imprison rapists to ensure they do not harm others.
Honestly 95+% of rapists go free, so I lean toward restorative justice models, too, personally. Gotta destigmatize offenders getting help while taking accountability and helping victims. I say this as a victim of rape btw, and sexual assault, and harassment and distribution of sexual material without my consent. Prisons aren’t a viable solution.
Violent rapists are indeed some of the few people I do support prison (with heavy reforms) for. They tend to have crazy high recidivism rates and need rehabilitation before release.
I’m all for abolishing the vengeance-based system we have, but deterrence is a thing. So is keeping dangerous people away from potential victims. Obviously it only works to a point, and some people won’t be deterred no matter what, so unreasonably harsh penalties don’t help, but if people are allowed to rape children right out in the open with no consequences, more people are definitely gonna do it, because wanting to rape children is such a common thing there’s a whole political party that wants to make it legal (and has succeeded in many cases).
Hey thanks for at least not assuming I’m a pedophile because I have issues with the criminal justice system
I’m sure there’s a middle ground here wed find mutually acceptable
Ugh, people who do that are the worst.