It was one of the most bizarre sex crimes in recent Tulsa history. Now it’s over, and both adults involved are headed to prison.
The 12-year-old girl showed up a Hillcrest Hospital in midtown Tulsa in July 2021 in labor.
The father-to-be apparently expected to walk out with the girl and their new bundle of joy.
“They walked in just like any other couple would, excited to deliver their newborn child,” Tulsa Police Officer Danny Bean told FOX23 News in 2021.
When the child, well below the age of consent, showed up to give birth, doctors immediately called Tulsa Police to report what was happening.
I wouldn’t say you justified, buuuuuuut, you are literally reducing the punishment of the adults because of some perceived additional damage to the abused child. Which almost totally removes the accountability for the act, the only accountability in this case is separation, which would need to be done either way.
I would say this girl has been so unprotected by her guardians and the rest of the family that separation will be a net positive for her in the future.
You’re characterization of the other person’s totally normal opinion as evil tells me everything I need to know about you tho.
Yes. Punishment is meaningless in the current prison system and has no reason to exist other than to slake the bloodthirst of the populace.
If someone is not an imminent threat to others they should not be imprisoned.
You say the person who proudly rapes kids isn’t a threat to anyone? Go back to Reddit and stop trying to give Lemmy a bad name.
4chan for sure, Reddit wasn’t very pro pedo from my 15 years of experience.
I was there for 13 years and I remember 2 of them having as close to csam as spez felt comfortable with on the front page.
Lmao nah
The dude who was in the relationship to the 12 year old and either didn’t realize his impact or didn’t care, as well as the mother you mean? I would argue they continue to pose a real danger to the daughter, and that man committed an egregious act of abuse on a child who was at worse coerced and at best a victim of a much older person.
I have no trust he won’t engage in this same behavior again. Unless you think it was just an exceptional 12 year old? Like have you met any 12 year olds so wise and beautiful you forgot about the fact they were 12 and just wanted to fuck a baby into them?
Although I totally agree that the prison system in the US is a sort of torture/slave labor system and many of the people engaged in that system are due to circumstances rather than “crime”.
Absolutely not the case here, this is a pretty easy call to make imo!
This would be why I suggested they not be allowed to contact said daughter
So let the dude prey on other children? Or spend resources on closely monitoring him for however long his parole is, same with the mom. But as you noted, these “stupid” people are a continuing risk, right? I don’t know, maybe this is the appropriate use of prison, I do wish there were education and rehabilitation programs that weren’t gutted, but in this case prison solves so many problems for the victim!
Per the article, he was in a “genuine” (I mean, obviously not but still) relationship with the child, after breaking up with the mom.
I don’t see this scenario repeating. Both the adults need serious therapy and obviously the kid does now too.
I just want you imagine the type of person who would get into a genuine relationship with a 12 year old. You don’t see it happening again?
I think this child predator would try to get in another “genuine relationship” with another child, frankly.
I find that extremely unlikely given the circumstances of the first “relationship”
This story is fucking bonkers.
I think that’s actually the crux of our disagreement and I don’t think we’ll come together on it.
I think the fact that he ever engaged in any sort of romantic relationship with a 12 year old makes him more likely to do it again, he’s the kind of person who would get into a relationship with a 12 year old as a 24 year old.
I believe you are taking the face value indication from the word “genuine relationship” and not really interrogating the “with a 12 year old” part. I don’t think anything I say is gonna change that, and I don’t think your opinion is exactly gonna win over hearts and minds on my end, so I guess I’ll end it there!