• DreamButt@lemmy.world
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    Lack of immunity does not mean you cannot become resistant to it. Like with all things education will free you. It’s just a matter of finding enough of it and from the right sources

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      This implies I have to put effort in. I’ll just write this comment off as propaganda and pat myself on the back for a job well done combating BS for the weak minded sheep. - Most of society

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        In my experience most people are more than happy to have a conversation about things. It’s more about it being on their terms so they can find the information approachable

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          I agree. And on a more serious note, I think it all stems from the fact that people don’t like being confronted about their identity. And oftentimes people will hold onto beliefs so hard that they become part of their identity. Look at many flat-eathers, it’s not a belief they have, it’s who they are, they are a flat-eather, and when you try to attack or question someone’s identity they react very defensively. So showing a flat-eather that there is evidence disproving their belief, then they either must reject it or question their identity. And rejecting it is always much easier. Which can make those convos extremely hard.

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          I think it’s even more important that you come at the topic in a collaborative way.

          Everyone has been force-fed the idea that “the other side is totally evil and wants you dead” for years now - people are on a hair trigger ready to be attacked at any moment

          Once they’ve decided you’re on the other side they’re not looking for common ground or to understand your position, they’re just trying to win a fight. They’re hearing whatever supports their viewpoint and ignoring any holes you’ve poked in their worldview

          I think keeping it approachable is definitely important too, but I think this first step is where things so often go wrong

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    Hexbear people are very immune to propaganda. Maybe even reverse immune

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      It’s crazy. Literally seen the same stuff I see in alt right spaces over there. Crazy

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        For real. I saw a lot of " Ukraine has nazis!!!" Over there.

        But then again im with the CIA. So what do i know.

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          It’s insane. I know Ukraine has a neo nazi issue, so does the US. And Germany and England and most other countries. Brazil has fucking Nazis who are Hispanic ffs.

          But if they’re trying to say only Ukraine has Nazis and not Russia they’re outside their fuckin minds. I literally have met Russian Nazis, I know Russia has way more Nazis than Ukraine.

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      hexbear people are hated here because they are not specifically on the american propaganda pipeline

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        Yes, they downloaded the CCP propaganda pipe line.

        I also definitely don’t hate the hexbear people, I find them fascinating.

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          neither of us know anything about north korea

          i wont assume they are the bad guys just because the USA said so

          also i tought their argument about taiwan is that its part of china, not that they are actually bad

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            I don’t assume they’re bad guys just because the US says so.

            Listen to stories of people who fled North Korea. It’s a fascist regime, no way around it.

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              It’s true, I spoke with somebody who escaped from there and they said that rats eat babies and then people eat the rats and then the babies eat the rats and the baby looked at me.

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                  That is real. Are you doubting the cartoonish evil and depravity of North Korea? Seems like you’ve been fooled by the tankist propaganda.

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    I don’t need to be immune to propaganda. I live in [country], the best country of the world. We don’t need no propaganda, that’s just something that [other side of globe] countries do, as well as [neighbour country] of course.

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    While this is true, the complete absence of foreign and/or free media in some countries doesn’t even give you a chance of forming educated opinions.

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    I know. That’s why I got rid of tv in the 90s and won’t stay where commercial radio is being played.

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      and won’t stay where commercial radio is being played.

      Omg. Radio is the most propagandized media. It hurts my brain when it is playing.

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    There’s this sentiment that all journalism cannot be trusted. But if so, how does anyone ever get to find out anything at all? Word of mouth? Gut feeling? Distrust of journalism is reasonable, but not good enough. There are specific reasons why misinformation exists and you need to know WHY that is so. Because otherwise you discount information which is true, and the end result is the same as you’d get with blind trust: A false understanding of the world.

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      Everyone has a false understanding of the world to an extent. All you can do is have good intuation about who to trust

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    I have a very finely tuned bullsh*t meter from decades of detecting and avoiding it. The most important part is having information sources you trust and are without bias.

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      That you think unbiased sources exist means your bullshit meter is not as finely tuned as you think it is.

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        Yeah, none of us are unbiased. Literally. There is simply too much to know, and the world is far too complex, with too many unanswered questions/problems, to judge things without bias.

        Even something as “simple” as ethics, has no objective answers as far as we know. And when people can disagree on ethics, you know, the very foundation of what is considered bad and good, how can you ever be truly unbiased?

        The next best thing you can do, is being almost conciously biased. Find your moral framework and ideology (and the status quo very much is ideological as well), and criticize it and yourself to the highest degree. You won’t be unbiased, but maybe you can get something productive going.

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        That you think there ARE no unbiased sources means that you’re a corporate shill, spreading agit-prop to discourage folks from finding things out for themselves.

        You see what I just did, there? That’s exactly what you’re doing to me

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      Except this is also you

      Poor moron: “The stock market is doing great!” Me: “The stock market has nothing to do with YOU! Stop simping for billionaires. It’s embarrassing to watch.”

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        Unless you own a lot of stock yourself, this isn’t necessarily false. At least this is debatable.

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          If you have a 401(k) at all, this is relevant. If you work for any sort of publicly traded company, it is relevant.