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    Im also a gun vegan, a car vegan, a facebook vegan, an exercise vegan (unfortunately), a windows vegan, … just not actual vegan.

    I feel like thats a bad way to use the word vegan.

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    This makes about as much sense as calling Linux users “Windows vegans”.

    Choosing to not use AI isn’t some wacky contrarian position, it’s a tame position that can easily be justified. (Don’t want to use AI? Then don’t.) If anything, trying to assert that constantly using AI for everything would be the new normal is the wacky position.

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    People who use the term “vegan” for somebody they consider extremist, ascetic, or annoying are really telling on themselves.

    Side note: one of the most genius rebrands of all time was the way fake leather (which is often made from polyurethane, a type of plastic) suddenly became aspirational “vegan leather”.

    Most vegan leathers are made from compostable materials, because (surprise, surprise!) many vegans are also environmentalists.

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    The better term would be “LLM gobbling fuckheads” for those who use that stuff and believe it has anything to do with “AI”

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    “refuse” lol as if there were a general requirement to use this shit

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    “AI vegans”? I knew guardian was already bought by tech bros, but wtf is that phrasing lmao I dont use AI either, simply because it is wrong more often than not and I am still capable of googling myself, but being cautious equals to being vegan in tech bro eyes?

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    I don’t use ai either. But because it’s fuckin stupid. It’s not even ai. It’s a glorified sorting algorithm.

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        Not if you use “AI” as the abbreviation of “artificial intelligence”.
        If you use AI as meaning “what chatGPT & co are” then it’s a trueism.

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          But yes. Exactly in the use of “Artificial Intelligence”.

          Artificial Intelligence is a wide field, consisting of a plethora of methods. LLMs like ChatGPT are part of this wide field, as per definition how researchers are describing the field.

          The “intelligence” part is an issue though if taken literal, since we have no clear definition of what “intelligence” even is. Neither for human / natural intelligence, nor for artificial. But that’s how the field was labled. We have created a category for a bunch of methods, models and algorithms and sticked “AI” onto it. Therefore I stand by what I have said before:

          It is AI.

          Due to the lack of a clear definition for “intelligence” I would coarsely outline AI as: mimicking natural thinking, problem solving and decision processes without necessarily being identical. (This makes it difficult to distinguish it from plain calculators though, so a better definition is required.) So if we have a model that is able to distinguish cat pictures from non-cat pictures, that’s AI. And if we have “autocorrect on steroids” (credit to Dirk Hohndel) like ChatGPT, that matches the text comprehension skills of 15 year olds (just an example), then this too is AI.

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            One fundamental part of “intelligence” is being able to come up with independent thoughts. Another is to be able to think critically about those thoughts. LLMs cannot do either.

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            I was going to wholeheartedly endorse your comment and then you ruin it in the last sentence with

            that matches the text comprehension skills of 15 year olds (just an example), then this too is AI.

            It feels like you know what you are talking about, but then confuse the successful statistical analysis of text as “comprehension” which is just plain factually wrong.

            sad. so close though.

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        “AI” or LLMs are great for people without skill. They love them and get quite aggressive when you insult the machine.

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          I love the arguments: none

          AI is broader than LLMs

          When you’re attacking an entire field with no arguments, and saying it’s shit based on your feelings rather than facts, expect people to disagree

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      They are “journalism vegans”. They are choosing to abstain from actual journalism for clickbaiting, herd mentality, and personal lack of skill reasons.