This is not the Europe I remember…
I know right? Need more style to this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsFnLuqHa20
Is the EU not subject to GDPR?
The EU decides what’s GDPR. And it seems recently it decided to not be buggered by those old ideas that are privacy, freedom, etc.
Buy EU, am I right?
Geezus…
It’s not the EU yet. It’s a group of activists from Denmark. There wasn’t even preliminary voting on it yet.
Doesn’t mean we need to be complacent of course, but so far nothing happened.but so far nothing happened
Things happens frighteningly fast these days. It’s not a matter of being complacent; it’s a matter of budding things in the nip. Which won’t work. Then tirelessly fight back against it.
Unless you’ve been sleeping under a rock these last few… weeks. Not even months. Some legislation can go from 0 to 100 extremely quickly if left unchecked.
What activists? I need their names, for personal research reasons.
I don’t know who reintroduced it, but here the original one https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=COM%3A2022%3A209%3AFIN&qid=1652451192472
How the fuck can you be pro censorship/pro big brother? What kind of idiot do you have to be? Do they just get bags of money to spout out this bullshit?
Does having a lot of money exempt you from this shit? I don’t get it. I can understand detestable people being pro things that make the poor poor and the rich rich. But this affect everyone both poor and rich. The only one benefiting from this are fascist dictators.
It’s not “Danish activists” but rather the government. As a Dane I know how horny these people are to create a fullblown police/nanny state. SVM (the name for the government) is terrible for all of us. Can’t wait to see their voter share drastically diminish at the next election, but clearly they can do a lot of harm first…
I mean, Danish government comprised of people. And some people there are activists about this particular bullshit, so they’re pushing it at every opportunity.
I should’ve been more specific that it’s not just random group of people, but my point was that it’s not the decision of the entire EU (or even the entire Danish government)The SVM government as a whole is huge on expanding surveillance and the police force - I don’t see that it’s just a small group of activists within the parties. I’m just glad other EU countries aren’t biting on this bs
I’m starting to edit idcaboutprivacy more and more often (and that’s not a good thing)
I like the comapirson i heared at Anne Roths(https://systemli.social/@anneroth) talk(German):
You would never say: I don’t need free speech because I have nothing to say. Everyone profits from data privacy and free speech and some people are depending on their life on it.
Dude, I decided to make a personal note with lots of similar links regarding privacy, so that I can provide the source when I discuss these matters with people. But yours in much more thorough - and public. Thanks for saving me a ton of work!
Maybe it’s time to restart some some old Greek traditions and propose a law that anyone proposing chat control - from here on out - gets banished for life from entering European soil ever again.
I am in favour of this proposal.
Absolutely unacceptable and ridiculous.
Agree
We couldn’t have said it better!
Ugh, this shit again…
Are there any initiatives out there to call a stop to this? Or even better, initiatives to introduce legislation that forbids setting up this kind of surveillance infrastructure altogether?
Patrick Breyer with the pirate party is my go to example of why small parties and extraparliamentary opposition is important. 99% of the people don’t even know him and he’s just doing such an sucessful job of protecting them anyway.
Thank you for helping us stop chat control! We from the Swedish Pirate Party are strongly against this!
The annoying thing is that some states like Germany pretty much prohibit surveillance of this extend by constitution. It couldn‘t be made any harder for a legislation like this to pass and yet they keep trying.
Your local Pirate Party and organizations like Bits of Freedom can help out.
Well we in the Swedish Pirate Party are strongly against this! We have been fighting since the beginning against Chat Control! Feel free to DM me and I can even try to find a Pirateparty near you or atleast a party who are aligned similarly!
STASI enters the chat.
Hey at least Stasi only spied on people they suspected.
That’s due to the limitation at the time.
They won’t.
If you’re a citizen of an EU country, you should contact your politicians to tell them not to, maybe they won’t.
It only has to pass once, and they keep trying.
Some keep trying. That’s how democracy and politics works in general.
Many people in the US thought “He won’t”
So, call your representatives.
I agree that calling representatives can always be a good idea. But you cant compare the US and the EU.
There is no “he”, there is no president. No single person can run nor ruin it.
It’s simply not as fragile, but again, always let your voice be heard like you suggest. Just in case.
Yeah. “EU wants this, EU wants that” - bullshit, the EU has no will of its own. A set of politicians within the EU, on the other hand.
The EU also does not have a president like you know from countries. There is no supreme leader, and laws are made with every member state involved.
Contacting politicians directly is good, but joining orgs like the Electronic Frontier Foundation or Privacy International multiplies your impact since they have lawyers and can actualy challenge these laws in court.
With SKG going as well as it is, wouldn’t an ECI on chat control be in order?
Welcome to earth, Everybody Sucks Here.
Wtf. Is Signal going to be affected? I just recently installed Signal on my phone.
Signal has already stated that they will pull out of the UK if they go through with their version of this, I imagine they’ll say the same for the EU.
Get a good VPN, exit it from a non-5 eyes country, and hope they don’t start blocking by phone number alone… and hopefully they’ll drop the phone number requirement sooner than later.
Also, welcome to Signal!
I think they already dropped the phone number req, not sure thoughNo, still required. However, you can have a username of sorts to give to people and block finding you by phone number in the platform.
Ah, that’s what I was thinking of then
time to make my own shitty ass software to deal with this stuff
should check existing options first:
- Briar
- Simplex
- Tox
- Matrix and elements as frontend
- xmpp
Let us know when it’s ready for Alpha testing. Most of us will gladly give it a shot and help iron it out.
The never stop trying. Fucking incompetent dumm politicians.
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