Trump’s lawyers claim they’ve found a loophole that will allow Trump to ship immigrants overseas to be tortured.
Federal law states that the United States shall not “expel, extradite, or otherwise effect the involuntary return of any person to a country in which there are substantial grounds for believing the person would be in danger of being subjected to torture.” This law implements a treaty, known as the Convention Against Torture, which the United States ratified more than three decades ago.
Federal regulations, moreover, provide that even after an immigration judge has determined that a noncitizen may be deported to another country, that judge’s order “shall not be executed in circumstances that would violate Article 3 of the United Nations Convention Against Torture.” And those regulations also establish a process that immigrants can use to raise concerns with an immigration judge that they may be tortured if sent to a specific country.
The Trump administration, however, claims it has discovered a loophole that renders all of these legal protections worthless, and is now asking the Supreme Court to explicitly give it the authority to make use of that loophole in order to enact its immigration policies.
Trump has a team of people who dedicated time, energy, and resources, to find a loophole around a ban on torture.
That sums up this administration’s direction pretty succinctly.
I agree, but there’s a difference. Trump is a figurehead. It’s not his team. Project 2025 and the Heritage Foundation are the “deep state” that the right voters were convinced were controlling them through the dems. Peter Thiel, Putin, the Koch, Scaife, Uihlein, Bradley families and/or foundations, Barre Seid, Leonard Leo, Coors, Walmart, Exxon mobile, etc etc they’re all financing and guiding the hydra.
Trump goes away and Peter Thiel wormtongues Vance into doing the same shit
I think it’s ignorant to underscore the importance of Trump. He’s made himself as irreplaceable to their plans as possible. He relies on them to work like all kings do, but without him they’ll have a much harder time keeping the coalition from cannibalizing itself.
We can only hope that the Big Macs and lack of exercise kill him quickly.
Totally agree with what you said. It was just easier to get a point across pointing at TrumpCo.
No way in hell he’s top dog in this shit show, just a gullible fool of hate and piss.
Gullible pool of hate, piss, and money.
I can’t wait for Nuremberg 2: electric boogaloo
As always, the cruelty is the point
its a great distraction for the dumpy supporters, so they arnt focused on the actual things that mattered.
Trump’s lawyers claim they’ve found a loophole that will allow Trump to ship immigrants overseas to be tortured.
Legal or not, why are you looking for excuses to torture people?
State terrorism, plain and simple
If you’re on the side of torture, you’re one of the bad guys
Can we not relitigate this. I remember this from like 18 years ago. It was not a good time.
It wasn’t taken care of then, which is why we’re dealing with it now. After all, we have to mOvE oN aNd LoOk To ThE fUtUrE iNsTeAd Of DwElLiNg On ThE pAsT.
Orange hitler needs to be impeached, removed from office, and sent to prison for his previous and current crimes.
I was hoping this would happen after his first term. However it will never, ever, EVER, happen. There just isn’t anyone with a spine who will do anything about him.
Now I’m hoping he gets a debilitating stroke/heart attack.
Or a long painful death. Colon cancer is fine, anything that can’t be treated.
Last resort is assassination, not because I’m above such things or find it distasteful etc. I was, but not anymore. No, it’s because if that happens then it’ll probably be quick and painless. And that racist rapist kiddie fiddler doesn’t fucking deserve that mercy.Assassination would stop him from hurting people quicker than cancer. Even if he had a stroke that debilitated him he wouldn’t get impeached, he’d just effectively be a more obedient puppet.
Not to mention, assassination sends a message to his peers too. As much as I want him to suffer, I think a quick assassination would be more effective.
They’re arresting judges. Wake up. Take to the streets.
Guillotine
What a joke. Most can’t even be bothered to skip work.
Work is your entire livelihood in this country for most people. They have workers by the neck, daring you to step out of line so they can leave you to die on the streets. I don’t blame people for attempting to survive.
And ignoring your neighbors as well. As if those with extra couldn’t help those without so everyone can come together and fight your dictator. That’s the only way any of this works and history has shown by far, bullets are the best and most often only way to depose a fascist. But you would have to help people you don’t know and that’s awfully socialist and goes against everything you have ever been told by your government and oligarchs.
Organization would solve many of these problems but if you never go out and meet like minded people with the same goals how do you organize?
There aren’t many with extra at this point. The worker squeeze is at the max.
Then there isn’t a reason to continue living like that and the only way to change it is to force it or die in a camp. I am Canadian. I am also disabled. My family has nothing. I’d haul my cripple ass out there. I am now and my situation is vastly different then yours. Can I afford it, fuck no. When you have nothing already there are no more excuses.
Who’s gonna do it? Democrats? Ha.
They’re too busy fucking over David Hogg to care.
Obama pardoning the Bush admin for torture was seen as weak and pathetic at the time, and its worse now.
He should have thrown the book at Bush and co.
Obama should have done a lot of things. I’m happy he did Obamacare but man he could have been so much more. Such a wasted chance. And making Biden his VP was a catastrophic error. Biden sabotaged the shit out of everything he touched.
Obamacare despite the Republicans throwing the mother of all tantrums about it was such a weak half assed piece of legislation. It was literally a Republican policy before Obama stole it and rebranded it. What he ran on and promised was a proper single payer healthcare the same as the rest of the world has. What we got was a federal search engine for insurance policies and very minor guarantees of what those policies will cover (and even that small gain is increasingly in danger of being removed).
Obama was one of the least offensive presidents of recent memory, but that’s far from being a good president. He certainly did some good things, but not as many as his reputation would make you think.
It was literally a Republican policy before Obama stole it and rebranded it.
And before members of the democratic caucus nerfed it even further.
I would put him pretty high but that itself is sorta sad. Its like the last pope. I would like a world where there was cardboard cutout at the white house saying you have to be this competent to be president. In other words I wish that was the minimum level for a president rather than being one of the better one historically.
Did Biden really have that much influence? I think it can be hard to assess how influential a VP is/was.
I don’t think it’s so much about what he did as VP as much as the fact that his time as VP kind of set him up to run for president later.
It would have been good if the Obama administration had at least walked back the massive erosion of freedom, civil liberty, and the breaches of international law that happened under Bush.
But it didn’t. No one has. Administrations from both parties seem to have kept it as a new status quo.
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If you face torture or deathcamps, It’s better to go out shooting.
See, this is why gwb and his cronies should have been prosecuted.
Instead, centrists were delighted when harris got dick cheney’s endorsement, and were upset when gwb declined to endorse.
We should have Trump dragged through the streets by a Tesla.
If only the US citizens weren’t fascists themselves.
I’m not
There are at least two of us then. Makes me feel a little better.
I’m not either!
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I was thinking feeding him McDonald hamburgers, Matilda style.
I would suggest a Swasty-truck, but they keep breaking down
yeah. The civil war is starting.
Pretty tough talk from the orange dude that vociferously whines about reporters asking “nasty” questions.
According to President Donald Trump’s lawyers, the administration can simply wait until after an immigration judge has conducted the proceeding that ordinarily would determine whether a particular noncitizen may be deported to a particular country, and then, if that noncitizen is allowed to be deported, announce that the immigrant will be deported to some previously unmentioned country — even if that immigrant reasonably fears they will be tortured in that nation.
Shit. That is going to work. The SCOTUS will want to suck Trumps balls a little after telling him “no” 5-6 times … to make it up to him. I bet they are going to pass this.
Is there no evil idea these guys don’t love?
You could look at it from the perspective of the moral foundations.
- Care/harm✅
- Fairness/cheating✅
- Loyalty?/betrayal?
- Authority?/subversion?
- Sanctity?/degradation?
- Liberty/oppression✅
Only about half of these are clear to me. I think Trump needs to step up his game if he wants to get to the worst outcome possible.
Nothing wrong with a bit of subversion though, especially in politics.
It’s a matter of perspective, and the same goes for some of the other points too. It really matters what is being subverted.
The fact that the riots have only just started, and for something that has been going on for months, says a lot about the citizens of the US. I have no faith in any of you.
Reiteration that the US system is set up to quell citizen action by design. Also, relatively, what has happened in LA so far pales in comparison to riots in the past, it is mostly just protests with occasional flare-ups by agents provocateur or the random crazy. Media then takes the sound/video bites of that handful of events, and make it look like the whole thing is like that.
Notes:
- The country is massive. There’s no real rail system to speak of. Air travel is falling apart. Not everyone has a car in shape enough to handle a 3000 mile road trip to go to DC and egg an orange turd.
- Those who aren’t already buying food on BNPL plans and credit cards probably still have medical expenses, never-ending medical expenses. Those who are, are living negative-paycheck-to-paycheck. This limits any kind of movement.
- Those aforementioned medical expenses are tied to employment, lose your job, lose your insurance (for you and your family), go into medical debt, lose medications, die.
- Employment often has little-to-no time off available, and many employers require planning weeks or months in advance to take time off.
- Arbitrary time off means: losing your job, your medications, your home, your car, your food, your life.
- Companies are already raising prices because of “tariffs” regardless if the products in question are actually affected by it, same game they play any time they have an excuse to milk people for more money. There will be no regulating to stop this. People will have even less money for basics.
It isn’t like what was seen in Germany or South Korea a while back where the country is small, travel is easy, and everyone can go protest without fear of losing their job/health/life just by acting upon their legal right to protest. If you’ve never driven on the ground across the USA, you have absolutely no scale of scope on how massive it is.
However the US ends up playing out, it will be vastly different from first-world nations. Speculating that things will have to get much worse before people have to start risking their lives to then risk their lives just to protest. By then, it might very well be fight time.
First-world nations should probably (and they are) just prep for the US not being available, or an ally, and probably leaning in on the US being an antagonist for the foreseeable future. This cancer is going to continue to be a rough ride for the entire planet. Don’t blame the US citizens though. Citizens are a pawn in this oligarchy. Even the ones that were deceived into voting for a senile potted plant. That delusion they teach kids that, “even you can be President some day!” are just words to make people think they have control in the current system, so they don’t try to find out they actually don’t.
Other tidbits:
- People are keeping it local, but local protests don’t tend to make national/international news. You have to check local socials like city subreddits, and even then, it will have little effective impact, because those in the know locally already know, and the information will only make it to Mango Mussolini and his compatriots if it affects one of his billionaire buddies in real or perceived ways.
- Attacking your local government and businesses which may already be in support of keeping America free isn’t really going to help anything other than damage local infrastructure that will probably have a funding gap to ever fix it, given how the Federal government is canceling everything they can.
- US corpo national news seems to have a supreme bias towards the big coastal cities, LA, NYC, DC. The thousands of cities and states spread across the country fall off the radar unless some large sustained traumatic event is taking place.
- Subdivision and censoring of social media has made it difficult to keep messaging clear and available, but people are trying.
- Let’s not even factor in that climate change is already kicking off a hell of a summer, and with FEMA now nonexistent, the welfare states that will be hit hardest are going to have more and more people made homeless and starving as the states realize they have no money to fix anything.
Just to add to your point of the size of the US, I recently traveled from San Bernardino California to Salmon Idaho in my 2001 Toyota Tacoma. Even avoiding high traffic areas like Utah it was still rough, that’s with it being a more or less straight line through Nevada, only 20 fucking hours.
Honestly I suspect that this will be both a boon and a curse for resistance as time goes on, since it does heavily restrict how fast you can physically move people around. This means any response time by the feds is going to be decently lagged out.
I am also annoyed that those exact thoughts about boon/curse had to enter my brain, but storing it in long-term planning just the same.
Hey at least its broadly to our advantage, between the Routes, Highways, Biways, and Interstates there’s basically no way to lock down a county let alone a state without immediately overextending your manpower massively. This ain’t the Soviets in WW2 where the Germans could just knock and the railway and isolate a city.
As an American, I have no faith in any of us either.
People really don’t want to believe that there is no electoral solution anymore. People really don’t want to believe that it’s too late to save the illusion of peace any longer. This is a late af wake up call to how incredibly fucked we are, and many people will still hit snooze.
For what it’s worth, speech doesn’t mean as much anymore, as we now live in a time where violence is the dominant form of power. For this reason, peaceful protests will do little, and mass riots can easily help the oppressors escalate even further. Fighting the incredibly militarized federal and local governments is practically untenable. Over half a century of cowardly libs empowering anti-riot forces has made this a nightmare scenario for resistance.
There is so little recourse at this point that the best thing we can do is prioritize not dying so we can outlive Trump’s reign. We’ll need luck and cooperation to survive the infectious diseases, natural disasters, and economic devastation that the state will do less than nothing to mitigate. It’s up to us to support each other, because there is no social contract left.
Holy shit
