cross-posted from: https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/2681
Is there a consensus on what #Pathfinder is going to look like after the dust settles on the #D&D / #OGL changes? I’ve just shut down my dndbeyond subscription as a result of the changes and told my group we need to move the campaign to another system. But #Paizo and Pathfinder are the main targets of the changes, so I’m not sure whether that will even be an option for us!
Honestly? I would move to a different system and boycott Hasbro/WotC entirely. With this move, they have demonstrated that they don’t care about you as a player. Why would you support them?
I’m not going to support them, that’s the whole point! The question is whether Paizo/Pathfinder will be an option instead
Paizo/Pathfinder, to my knowledge, relies very heavily on the OGL. So, if they want to continue to publish materials, they’re going to have to agree to the new OGL. Which no sane publisher would agree to, so…
So, PF3 :)
What’s happening in D&D that’s attacking PF?
Hasbro is changing the OGL. The new one is horribly restrictive, allows them to steal the work of 3rd party producers without compensation and gouges them 25% of their profit and revokes the old OGL
Pretty much, yes. Here’s an archive of Gizmodo’s article, which goes more in-depth into the fiasco:
I don’t know if this means it’s a good thing or a bad thing I’ve made a lot of progress in making a 5th edition character sheet building website.
Yeah, there’s a lot to go through and I won’t pretend I understand all of it. I think this means they have the ability to shut down or steal your website, but don’t take my word for it. I’m not well-versed in legalese and may be just spewing shit.
What’s OGL? Never heard of this before.
Open Gaming License. It’s basically the license that lets 3rd parties develop content for D&D.
Would this stop PF2e? I could see 1e, but 2e is quite a bit different and I don’t think they could claim it here.
Screwing over Paizo is basically the point of these changes.
If Paizo signs the new OGL, doing so will revoke the old OGL, and it will force Paizo in to an unfair relationship with Hasbro, allowing Hasbro to re-use any and all of Paizo’s content without restriction or cost, it would require Paizo to share their future releases and product planning with Hasbro and it would skim 25% of Paizo’s profits.
If Paizo doesn’t sign up to the new OGL, they aren’t able to produce new content.
Fuck, so we can’t use PF either. But like I said, is 2e falling under the OGL 1.1?
As I understand it, parts of PF2 use OGL. But honestly, I’m not really sure what the impact will be. It’s part of what prompted this post initially
There can’t be a consensus, as the rulings are based on laws, and the laws all depend upon the judge at the time.
A few lawywers have already weighed in. None of them have been willing to give a prediction.
At least there are plenty of non-OGL options. I’ve been ranting for a while now about the OGL not being open, but I never thought I’d see such movement around the issue.
An important point to make before people panic too much: You can still use your books and play your games. This doesn’t effect players so much as it effects publishers. Your Saturday night game won’t be affected at all.
Well it does, in so far as I’m currently running D&D, but refuse to keep doing so. I don’t own any Pathfinder, so I would be outlaying a chunk of money to make that happen
You can play Pathfinder and Starfinder without paying, since the rules are all free ( https://2e.aonprd.com/ ). Adventure Paths cost money, but if you run your own adventures then you don’t need to buy APs.
