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Here’s an alternate scenario
Noice! Art will save us from entropy.
it looks like nixos in a trash
I thought exactly the same!
well at least this person suggests a doctor, some will reference a YouTube video where an influencer talks about gut supplements that will completely cure any mental health issues, cancer, diabetes and coronary heart diseases linked to genetic factors
Or paleo diets.
it’s da food colorin it is
I really can’t take my medication as it kills my appetite and it’s shit at the best of times. Really don’t know what to do
Have you tried the non stimulants like Strattera or any other SNRIs?
I have not. I went from XL (extended release) to the short acting ones but still wrecked me.
I might speak to the doctor about getting changed to non-stimulant but the cruel irony is ADHD is going to prevent me doing this quickly.
I’ve been struggling with the same thing. I’ve tried Adderall XR and Concerta so far, with neither really actually helping with my focus or executive function. All I got were headaches, sinus pressure, uncomfortable appetite suppression (felt like my throat was full), and a few other standard stimulant side effects.
Waiting on Vyvanse to see how the prodrug formulations work out, but I’m not optimistic. Concerta did help with my anxiety, but the side effects overpowered any benefit.
Tell HR. Fuck 'em. No tolerance for ableism.
In my experience, fucking HR is worse than the gossip boxes.
HR is the office cop.
NEVER talk to American cops.
My HR and I have a wordless dirty look relationship.
I’m not letting my coworkers discriminate against me.
And HR won’t let you be a liability for a lawsuit either. HR is there to protect the company, not you. If they see that you could be a threat in terms of “work discrimination” they will get rid of you first for other reasons so you won’t have the chance
What the fuck is this thought process? Document everything as it happens, then EEOC their ass for the obvious discrimination. Do not let people discriminate against you.
Then you can take them to court for wrongful termination.
I’ve never worked for a company where HR was anything but useless. When you get fired for shit like this (or in general) it’s usually someone in the management chain calling the shots.
“I would like to file a wrongful termination suit”
“We’ll need $50K for pre-trial, more if they won’t settle”
“Oh shit I thought lawsuits were free???”
“Common mistake, we get that all the time”
This. This this this.
Calm your shit dude. Don’t go to HR over something this small.
Just punch his dad in the cock.
I vote, seduce their mum, and bang the shit out of her! Then ask the coworker, who’s your daddy?
Depends on the mom tho, right?
^…right?
Have some patience
I’m not disabled myself but if a coworker says something like that they’re probably just uninformed, it just shows that their concerned for you
No it doesn’t. It shows they have a high and mighty attitude and they’re fucking ignorant. They can keep their lack of medical expertise to themselves.
The correct response here would be to simply say “no” when they say “can I ask what it is you’re taking.”
It’s too late though. That’s not the scenario presented.
Absolutely agree!
Sounds like something an ableist would say. I’m sure homophobes are “just concerned” about the lifestyles of LGBTQ.
“Oh this? It helps me focus on minding my own fucking business.”
Ooh, pithy, I like this
Never tell people you take adderall. They’ll ask you for adderall to get high.
Especially in this day and age in the United States when the “health department” is trying to categorize these groups as subhuman if you’re autistic or have ADHD
(this advice does not apply if you want to sell adderall)
Well obviously
Soooo…do you have any Adderall?
I got Ritalin.
some people aren’t there for a conversation, but are just waiting for the right moment to say the thing they want to say to get the brain chemicals they reward themselves with once they say it.
That makes sense. Sometimes common arguments, advice, and old ideas get shared ad nauseum around social circles, like moldy old memes that everyone, except them, is tired of hearing. One person says stupid idea with conviction, and others listen. Now when someone else repeats stupid idea around the first person, they know they’ll be agreed with - it’s an easy way to get that dopamine hit and strengthen a social bond. Others in the group then start to think that stupid idea is important for them to also believe, and the effect snowballs, as more of them share stupid idea with others - expecting to be agreed with.
People keep doing this, over and again, never once examining the words they repeat. This leads to people who confidently say ignorant crap like, “You don’t need medicine, you seem fine to me!” despite the fact that they’ve only ever seen you after you’d taken your medicine. It’s likely someone in their social circle put that idea in their head once, and they never critically examined it because it’s easier and more rewarding to simply repeat things without thinking about them.
get the brain chemicals they reward themselves
Damn. They should probably see a doctor about that and not take drugs.
High five for you and everybody else here. It’s like one of the 12 Rules for Life, assume that the other person knows things that you don’t. Remembering that rule tames the racing thoughts and helps me to listen effectively for a few moments. It holds relationships together.
Some people online do that too. Arguing for a dopamine rush, whilst saying the same thing as the arguee.
See a doctor
Done.
Don’t take drugs.
But… the doctor said…
Why are you listening to doctors?
But… you said…
The worst is trying to explain at how necessary the medication is. Having to explain that I cannot work without it
I’ve had someone tell me with a straight face that I’m “basically taking meth”.
This is the same kind of person that says “American cheese slices are one molecule away from being plastic!”
Even if meth was chemically identical to ADHD meds, the argument still wouldn’t hold. Anything that lessens people’s symptoms without creating even more problems can be a medication.
I like to pour them a glass of peroxide and tell them to drink it. It’s basically water. Literally just a molecule away from being water bro. Drink it bro, cmon! It’s just a molecule!
It’s actually just one atom away!
Lmao I knew that and yet my brain decided “it’s a whole-ass molecule today!”
Since you didn’t specify hydrogen peroxide, technically FOOF is a peroxide. And FOOF is a molecule away from being water.
We do not talk about FOOF. Do not acknowledge it. It feeds on fear.
OK fair haha
I mean, you technically sort of are taking meth in a way, but that’s because you need it since you react differently to it.
I mean, there’s nothing wrong with someone with severe physical trauma being given fentanyl for example.
There’s nothing wrong with anyone taking fentanyl for any reason. There’s nothing wrong with anyone taking any drug for any reason. The only issues are things like how, where, when, etc. Anyone opposed to the full and complete legalization of all drugs should be executed.
There’s nothing wrong with anyone taking fentanyl for any reason.
Yes
There’s nothing wrong with anyone taking any drug for any reason.
Preach
The only issues are things like how, where, when, etc.
Absolutely
Anyone opposed to the full and complete legalization of all drugs should be executed.
Ohh. Oh no…
Yeah, I know, sometimes I troll too hard. But it is reasonable to take such folks and send them to an island somewhere so they can hate freedom to themselves.
There’s nothing morally wrong, but there’s definitely something physically wrong with taking fentanyl when you don’t need fentanyl, especially long term. Like just because someone is addicted doesn’t mean they should stay addicted. I doubt you’re advocating for alcoholics to remain alcoholic for example.
Also, I think you mean anyone against the usage of all drugs don’t have a valid opinion, not the creation of all drugs (there’s no good reason Krokodil should exist for example).
This comment makes no sense. It’s like saying there’s something physically wrong with shoving bread up your ass. Who cares?
I’m pretty sure your ass would care, depending on the kind of bread. A firm crusty bread would probably do some damage. Kinda like how too much fentanyl does damage. Physically.
you technically sort of are taking meth in a way
You are 100% NOT taking meth when you take ADHD stims. The only thing linking the two is the core ingredient which is a methyl-5 molecule, which your body makes on its own.
The drug meth is a synthetic methyl-5 compound with a ton of other nasty crap in it that doesn’t exist in ADHD medication.
Like I said, whoever says that is in the same group as the American cheese is almost plastic crowd.
Dex_amphetamine_
Meth_amphetamine_
No, the thing linking the 2 is the amphetamine part. Which is the actual stimulant.
The drug meth is actually just methamphetamine - there’s no “nasty crap” in it unless the person synthesizing it doesn’t refine and purify it well, which is true of basically all chemistry.
A more apt comparison is a strong beer and wine - both technically different things, but both get you drink because of the alcohol ingredient in them. They’re both alcoholic drinks.
Same with amphetamines - both are stimulants that have essentially the same effect. That’s specifically why they both work in treating ADHD. The only significant difference is one is legal (with a prescription) and the other isn’t, which of course means good luck getting it really pure and at the correct dosage. The only other difference is how fast acting / long lasting they are because of that tail molecule, but the part that has an actual effect on people is the amphetamine part.
dexamphetamine literally lacks the methyl group which gives “meth” it’s name.
Yeah but it has the “amphetamine” part that gives meth it’s kick. And that’s what most people think of when it comes to the drug - the effect it has on a standard person, not the chemical name (otherwise they’d be calling methylprednisolone “meth” too. And let’s face it, the majority of the population doesn’t know why it’s nicknamed meth either).
On a legal scale, “amphetamines” are what’s regulated, not methyl groups.
My meds are Methylphenidate so tbh I assumed they were a bit ‘methy’
They do actually prescribe actual meth for adhd but it’s a different drug known as Desoxyn
Desoxyn is a brand name of methamphetamine hydrochloride. Literally the quintessential ADHD med.
It’s completely different than the street drug “meth”. The only similarity is the methyl-5 ingredient, which is a molecule that our body naturally synthesizes continuously.
It’s completely different than the street drug “meth”. The only similarity is the methyl-5 ingredient, which is a molecule that our body naturally synthesizes continuously.
Slightly surprised it hasn’t spawned a factoid that claims the body makes meth/is full of it.
Meth is the #1 most abused drug by clinical scientists. That is to say, just like functional alcoholism is a thing, there’s functional meth heads among some of the most well-respected and reputable scientists in the world. Anyway that would be my response if I was told I was basically taking meth.
That’s not really a good way to spin it. Having ADHD is nothing like functional alcoholism. An alcoholic is destructively addicted to alcohol, and a functional one is really good at hiding it.
ADHD is a condition outside of any external influence, and medication helps normalize individuals dealing with it.
Your approach is the logical equivalent of a burglar saying “I rob people’s homes because they have guns to defend themselves”.
What? No? I don’t think the scientists abusing meth all have ADHD or they’d have meds prescribed by their doctor. What I was saying was just a tongue in cheek response to someone telling you that you’re basically taking meth.
I am really not following your analogy.
They misread the comment.
I didn’t
I don’t think the scientists abusing meth all have ADHD or they’d have meds prescribed by their doctor.
Then that’s an even worse analogy than I thought you were saying. I get what you’re trying to say, but it comes across as “well that other guy did something wrong, so I can do it too”.
And I know that’s not what you’re trying to say, but that’s how it reads.
“Have you tried [holistic bullshit]? It worked great for my [barely an acquaintance] who had [unrelated issues]!”
It’s such a shame how the word “holistic” has been co-opted by the woo-woo brigade. The concept it’s meant to represent, which is simply “the idea that the whole is more than merely the sum of its parts,” makes sense on its own, and is applied in legit medicine.
However, the word has been associated with snake oil so much that it’s hard to take it seriously anymore. I was in my mid-20s by the time I learned the actual meaning of the word; until then I assumed it was akin to “homeopathy” or some other garbage.
God that is the absolute worst.
It’s more fun when it’s your own mother trying to sell her MLM holistic bullshit. No mom, I don’t need your snake oil pills, I needed a therapist.
My mom: you don’t need therapy; all a therapist will do is tell you everything is your mom’s fault
(Spoiler: I did and they did and it was)
Acceptance of the ways my mom failed me is a step towards detachment from her and healthy processing of my traumas. [That’ll be $15,000 USD. Worth it at twice the price]
Yeah. I started therapy for “anger management” (I got so frustrated at unmet needs that I bent a fork in half at a restaurant, which caused my still-boyfriend to urge me into therapy).
Two months in, my mom visited and was flagrantly awful in ways I couldn’t emotionally repress. That helped my therapist zero in on the real issue and forced me to recognize it as well.
My pocketbook is poorer but my non-relationship with my mom is much healthier. Oh! And I now am much better able to recognize my unmet needs and meet them before I bend a fork.
Way to go with meeting your needs! I know how hard that is - my mom also trained me to put myself second, and treats me as an extension of herself. I recently (within the last year) realized that not only do I not reach out for help when I need it, but I don’t even recognize when I need help. It took my old manager seeing I was stressed and saying she wanted to help me, but that she’s “not a mind-reader” and I have to actually ask her for it, for me to step back and realize that my approach isn’t typical. It turns out I’m so accustomed to having to go through shit entirely by myself, that the thought that somebody else might be able to help doesn’t even occur to me.
By coincidence, guess who dismissed me as a child anytime I went to her for help? Yep, dear ol’ Mommy, telling me shit like “you’re just too sensitive” and “the bullies won’t remember [that awful rumor they made up and are currently spreading against me] years from now.” Mmhmm, surefire solutions right there that definitely demonstrate concern and understanding of my issues.
Why yes, I am still bitter, why do you ask?
Thanks and I’m glad you’re on a similar journey. Well, not glad you had to start the journey, but glad you’re progressing on it.
I have grief for the mother I didn’t have, but it’s ok.
That’s awesome.
This is why the correct response to, “May I ask what that is?” is “No.”
What part of prescribed adderall do u not understand?
Also, it should be pretty obvious they’ve got adhd if they’re not going batshit coocoo after taking it, they’re fucking amphetamines.
I took speed once with a friend and he was completely off the rails, I didn’t feel anything. Is that a bad sign?
Could be, yes. People with ADHD respond to stimulants differently to how NTs do, it usually has a more calming/relaxing or focusing effect.
Scientifically, I think (based on all the huberman ep’s I’ve listened to) it’s cuz it makes up for our lack of dopamine receptors helping us perform tasks, and our minds act like a NT’s, and since an NT’s dopamine levels are normal it sends them into overdrive and makes them hella overstimulated.
Dats why when NT’s take addy recreationally it makes them go mental, cuz it’s basically a controlled version of speed. I don’t do blow but I know certain man with ADHD who have and they tell me it knocks them out, like a sleeping pill.
My understanding is that the ADHD brain activity resembles an NT’s when they’re extremely tired or sleep deprived, with a lot of theta wave activity. Stimulants can help jog an ADHD person’s brain into alpha and beta waves, which are associated with relaxation or alertness and focus.
It’s a bit of both with a healthy dose of “we’re not sure”. We know that ADHD brains don’t regulate neurotransmitters properly and that the theta vs beta waves are different, but there are a lot of other mechanisms we don’t understand.
Another great example is guanfacine. It’s primarily a blood pressure medication, but it also improves emotional regulation for ADHD patients. We think it improves connections in the prefrontal cortex, but we ultimately don’t have a solid understanding of why it actually helps.
I have to take my meds an hour before I have to get up because it makes me so exhausted.
I take the BEST naps right after my Vyvanse kicks in. Usually only for 20-30 minutes, but it’s very restful.
Then I pop up and have normal energy levels.
I so think I can help everyone focus to an extent, but for NT’s the side effects are usually not worth the trade off, whereas if you have ADHD, you may choose to take the side effects for the benefit of the medication.
In comparison to the benefits, it’s hard to even consider the side effects. All I get is that my appetite vanishes and I don’t require 12 hours of sleep per day. As long as i force myself to eat there are literally no negatives lol
The only bad side effect for me is that if I have anxiety, then it can make the anxiety worse.
Nah, you’re cool
“Yes, here’s the name of my doctor on the side of the bottle. Feel free to call her and give her your wisdom.”
