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When I go hiking… I am going through certain mental forms of anguish as well as worrying about my water, the heat of the sun, and the fear of dying alone. of like a heart attack. because sometimes I really push myself. On this journey every once in a while I see a comrade and they’re either moving past me at a higher rate or moving away because they’ve already reached their goal. Yet at the end of the day, it is just the time in which it takes me to get to my destination. But yet eventually we all reach the end of the trail. We observed different things and we value different things. We should talk about that.
Why can’t we have Leftist Unity? The fucking Rightists can agree on hating “The Libz”
Why can’t we agree on hating cons? Sadly I can’t even get Leftist factions to agree on “LGBT Rights are based and cool”, because Left-Learning TERFs exist and I’ve had Tankies pull “LGBT Rights is racist because it means forcing Western Ideals where they don’t belong” crap on me.
Because being a leftist just isnt as fun when you dont hate everyone and everything. Hate is fun
We can’t even use the best slurs because we’re too considerate.
Of course the only reply to this is a “srs leftist” who immediately proclaims you an enemy for shit you didn’t say
We can’t have leftist unity because the right has never run short on useful idiots
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your lack of participation enabled an actual genocider. think things have gotten better in the last 5 months for gaza? ukraine?
you think you’ll ever take responsibility for your own poor choices?
Circular firing squad
I’ve seen situations here on lemmy where I would cause it if I where to argue with someone
I am leftist
Just so we’re clear, democrats are blue conservatives and are not leftists.
The meme is still accurate though. Why does Futurama look so anime? Did i miss a new episode?
It’s from an episode that does a terribly shallow parody of anime. Ya know the kind where there’s tentacle monsters everywhere despite me not being able to name a single anime I’ve ever seen that has that, just Western Parodies of anime and everyone talks in horrible Engrish in forced asian accents, even though not even dubbers as inept as 4Kids do that?
Basically the “I’m 65 and the only Japanese Cartoon I’ve ever seen is Speed Racer, and maybe parts of one episode of Pokemon my nephew was watching? But I’ve still totally got this guys!” school of anime parodies.
I fucking hate shallow parodies.
The same episode also parodied a lot of 80’s cartoons; Namely Smurfs and GI Joe, and did a much better job of doing so… Mostly because the writers had actually seen Smurfs and GI Joe.
Season 6 episode 26
I’ll start my own leftism, with Blackjack and hookers! If fact, forget the blackjack. Ah, screw the whole thing.
Yugopnik made a good point on the term “Leftist” and how its so broad that it includes many different idealogies that are quite honestly conflicting, i.e. stalinists, anarchists, etc., so that it appears leftists are always fighting since they are all lumped into the same category.
I approve of any leftist as long as they are anti-authoritarian.
so that it appears leftists are always fighting since they are all lumped into the same category.
I always say it is because the left in general has its roots in old school liberal value of “think for yourself”. So there typically tends to be maverick attitude and in-fighting. The best example is the Spanish Republicans during the Spanish Civil War; you have soc dems, communists and anarchists fighting together not just against fascists, but also themselves. The right, meanwhile value order and hierarchy, so they tend to easily set aside their differences. Again, the Spanish Civil War is the best example, with the Spanish Nationalists also composed of various factions with competing agenda, but managed to set aside their differences, which made it easier to do because they had a strong man figure to rally to.
And the right won that war, which goes to show the value of unity
And the right won that war
I assume you are from the US. It may be the case in your country, but it is not necessarily that the right as a whole won the war, considering that other parts of the world still have leftist and liberal politicians ruling. As a matter of fact, they have gotten more popular as Trump’s brazen corruption and incompetence is setting example why not to elect populist right wing politicians.
For what it’s worth, if nothing existentially happens that would stop US from becoming a nation anymore like a civil war, politics typically swing back like a pendulum. Even at the extreme, politics could dramatically swing back to normalcy and empathy. We have had countries that were under dictatorship, but are now democratic like Spain and Portugal. Because the problem with dictatorships is that they become too corrupt and reality eventually catches up to those who were swooned by initial sweet promises of demagoguery.
Of course, what I just said now may not be reassuring to you because I am speaking from a place of relative safety, so you can take it or leave it.
Yeah sometimes I get frustrated because I wish “the left” could be adults for five minutes and deal with the issues at hand. Like I don’t care about the socialist alphabet soup if you’re from PSL, or DSA, or ISA or whatever, we all agree that people are being kidnapped by I.C.E. is evil and alarming, can we just deal with this right now? We can get back to bickering about philosophy later.
But even that is complicated since there are disagreements that can’t be ignored, like whether to work with democrats, who time and time again undermine and cripple movements whenever able and divert them for fundraising.
For me, it makes much more sense to think about it all as pop culture. I’ll use America but this goes for any country.
The right leaning party represents pop culture. A dominant culture. The popular culture is American Apple pie and blue jeans with letter jackets.
The left represents everything outside the pop culture bubble. It’s a larger population as a whole, but they’re like little bubbles they all contain their own culture. Those cultures can conflict or merge and compliment each other. But they’re individually separate.
The pop culture is always feeling threatened. It needs to maintain the status quo. Every outside sub culture is trying to fight their way into the dominant culture.
So this is why the right leaning voters trend towards rejecting things like immigrants, minorities, LGQTB and often other sub groups that are not wildly accepted by the pop culture. This is also why the left leaning groups do not. They trend towards infighting about how to do things but overall they all focus efforts on taking status away from the pop culture.
When I view politics as a clash between pop culture and sub cultures, it makes so much of it make so much more sense.
Which is also why I believe this is useful because it highlights how to win. Pop culture is much more sensitive to culture jamming. If anyone remembers ‘yes men save the world’ they were buried a bit, but they managed to fuck with so many things in pretty smart ways. You can really start to see how to focus efforts on them with this context I think at least.
To me it sounds like you’re starting to broach on the concept of reactionary vs dialectical analysis
I’m not sure what that means. I’m interested though. Is it something you can explain here or is there some topics you can’t suggest I read up on
Its a bit of a complex topic, but in basic terms reactionary thinking is kneejerk reaction, what “feels right” without broader analysis. The popular surface level, like how people complain about trans people in sports cause it “feels unfair”, but when you look at the actual numbers there such a small section of out trans people in general, and even then they do pretty regular on average. Or how you here how believe all women will somehow make it “dangerous” for men dating, when in reality false accusations form less than one percent of cases, but one in four women experience assault. Whereas dialectical thinking is the thought that larger processes and symptoms influence outcomes, and one should take a step back and analyse the context and direct facts about something through critical thinking before coming to a conclusion. Like how study after study have proven that the number one factor contributing to a person engaging in violent crime is poverty, not just a person being born bad. Or how despite the narrative, immigrants commit crime at a lower percentage on average than natural born citizens. But since dialecticalism is a much bigger analysis and uses a fair amount of hypothetical and philosophical thinking you end up getting a fair amount of groups believing that their hypothetical analysis is best, such as you get with different philosophers.
Half the replies in this thread: so true bestie, except fuck those guys for not being left enough
Reminder to all my homies: If any of ya’ll think trans rights are a bargaining chip, you aint leftist enough for me!
Its almost as if a single dimension is not big enough to describe the diversity of human political thought.
Fun fact, I once alluded to this on reddit’s worldnews and they associated me with Hitler because apparently trying to say there is more than one dimension is trying to whitewash Nazism.
Troll factories can get defensive, don’t touch what they work with.
I mean, not that I agree that you’re Hitler, but the only other possible choice was Stalin, so…
The better strategy would be to change what a Republican is and stands for, then we could all have our cake and the idiots in our country can still feel like they won.
Democrat can mean or represent literally anything, even if they did a 180 and began supporting Trump, and my mother will still hate them, because they’re Democrats.
you can’t spin those fascists into anything but shit!
ehhhhhh… Traditional, old school Elephants were still very environmentally conscious, turn nationalism into a positive trait. Patriots for nature and equal pay from the established woke billionaires! Be a real American, soldier!
Sucks that the system in the USA is broken but until it’s fixed and we have more than two parties, democrats are the left.
It’s better not to equate the two parties of the USA to the parties in a parliamentary system it’s a different beast.
The Democrats are the coalition of the left of center interest groups of the current time, and Republicans the coalition of the right of center interest groups of the current time.
These groups are more the parties of the parliamentary system and run candidates in the primaries of their respective parties, and possibly as independent from time to time (particularly when they feel a bit pushed out of the main parties). Also they push these candidates at all levels (local, state, congress ect)
I would love some sort of rank choice/instant runoff ballots to make more choices easier in the voting lineup, however those who are pushing for third parties without trying to run local politicians or promoting policies ect will likely not succeed in that system either.
Simpsons did it!
You can’t tell me how to anarchy bro
Futurama is just a slightly different Simpsons!
We are enemies now
I was going to comment that OPs meme sums up db0 really well, but this one does that even better.
One thing the right is good at doing is falling in line, no matter that the agenda being pushed.
That’s mostly due to the rights belief in hierarchy. It doesn’t matter if the person above you has different views than you if you believe their right simply because they’re higher up the pecking order.
One thing I’ve always wondered, who/what decides their hierarchy?
Thry guy who finds himself on top determines the hierarchy until someone supplants him ny whatever means.
Money
Heh, don’t let that fool you, they still infight like crazy despite that. Examples include the hilarious collapse of the NJP, the assassination of Rockwell (leader of the American Nazi Party) and labeling every existing neo-Nazi group “feds” because they’re inevitably embarrassing and scandal-filled.
The right has their fair share of infighting. They may all want heirarchy, but they disagree on who should be on top. They can all agree on scapegoating an outgroup, but disagree on which people fall into that outgroup. Like, the ultimate endgame of fascism is for the last fascist to kill the second to last fascist for not being white enough.
They appear to be united because most of us don’t go into their spaces and lurk, because, I mean, ew. If a Trump supporter came to Lemmy, they’d find people quite united against them, and if one of us went on Truth Social, we’d find them quite united against us, but that doesn’t mean they actually get along internally.
Gotta maintain that rigid tribal culture so it supports whoever steals the leadership role!
Honestly I’m fairly certain they infight even harder than the left does. They just wouldn’t self-critically admit to it like we would. Cause they don’t self-crit.
booba
The right opposes free thought and favors conformity to support the privileged few.
The left favors free thought and opposes conformity, because that would impede social progress.
Yeah, I wonder why one of those groups is likely to have public arguments.
Not necessarily. Some leftists demand conformity in beliefs. “If you don’t believe XYZ, you’re a shill/neoliberal/fascist etc.”
I feel like favoring free thought and opposing conformity leads to arguments, but demanding conformity leads to enemies (like this meme).
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The right is also driven by fear and hate. It’s easier to get coordination and conformity that way.
It’s a different version of the tolerance paradox
The paradox of tolerance is a philosophical concept suggesting that if a society extends tolerance to those who are intolerant, it risks enabling the eventual dominance of intolerance; thereby undermining the very principle of tolerance. (Source Wikipedia)
