• Meursault@lemmy.world
      29·
      1 month ago

      Because criminals don’t deserve due process! My government told me so! I am very smart! Checkmate, libs!

      VERY big /s

      • smokingpistol@lemm.eeBannedBanned from community
        1·
        1 month ago

        I mean wouldn’t someone that’s here legally be able to prove it with a green card? Isn’t it like a physical thing like our American passport for example? That’s what I would think.

        • kittenzrulz123
          7·
          1 month ago

          Shocking news: its possible to prove that you’re here legally or that you should be allowed to be here legally, its called going through the legal system and due process. If someone isnt here legally thats for the courts to decide

          • smokingpistol@lemm.eeBannedBanned from community
            2·
            1 month ago

            That’s not what I’m saying ? I’m asking, if You are a legal resident you would have a green card right? So wouldn’t they just be able to show that they have a green card to prove that they have legal residency? It’s a question. What I’m saying is by showing that you have a green card it proves that you are a legal resident. For example of someone tried to tell me that I wasn’t an American citizen I could just show them my passport and that ends that. And wouldn’t anyone that’s here legally have a green card? Or could they still be here legally before obtaining a green card?

            • Englishgrinn@lemmy.caEnglish
              5·
              1 month ago

              The short answer is - yes, there are a bunch of ways to be legally in the United States without a green card. These tend to be temporary, or contingent on other things, so harder to track and produce immediate evidence of.

              The longer answer is, it doesn’t matter. Deportation is a tool in the government’s tool kit for dealing with those who entered the country illegally - but Deportation is a process, with steps, due process and it requires the ability for the potential deportee to argue their case to an immigration judge. Being grabbed by masked thugs off the street, taking a brief layover in Louisiana while they fuel the plane and then being deported to a torture facility in El Salvador without so much as ever speaking to your lawyer is a contravention of your rights. Your human rights, your 5th Amendment rights, take your pick.

              Kilmar Abrego Garcia, for example, was never formally granted asylum. He missed the filing deadline of one year. However, in his original deportation trial he showed significant evidence and credible testimony that he had fled El Salvador to escape being forced to join the gang that was shaking down his family for protection money. The only reason he wasn’t deported after that original hearing was that a Judge granted him hold order - stating he specifically could not be deported to El Salvador because his life would be in danger. It’s unlikely he has any simple card or document that shows that order he could carry with him. In direct violation of that order, ICE sent him anyway. He’s almost certainly dead.

            • jj4211@lemmy.world
              3·
              1 month ago

              So you are walking down the street, being a super careful to always have your passport. Then a van pulls up and stuffs you in it. You declare you have a passport and are a citizen, but they don’t care. You didn’t get due process to show your documentation because they “mistakenly” put you down the “no due process” path.

              It isn’t really possible to assure due process for only select people, either everyone must have it or else anyone could have due process denied under a claim that they belong to the “no due process” class.

              Due process does not necessarily mean leniency, it just means a reasonable process and a chance to be heard and present your documentation and such. Without that guarantee, there’s no accountability of the enforcers and no guarantee you even can present your documentation.

        • jj4211@lemmy.world
          4·
          1 month ago

          If you aren’t allowed to even provide your documentation because there’s no due process, then that documentation does no good.

        • monotremata@lemmy.caEnglish
          3·
          1 month ago

          Tell this to Kilmar Abrego Garcia, who was here legally, and was grabbed and sent to a prison in El Salvador. The government isn’t giving people any opportunity to prove their status. That’s what we mean when we say they’re not being given “due process.” There’s not a trial or anything. They’re just grabbed and hauled away.

    • shawn1122@lemm.eeEnglish
      6·
      1 month ago

      Because habeas corpus applies only to those with sufficient privilege.

  • laserm@lemmy.world
    22·
    1 month ago

    Then why Trump fears going to court to prove his accusations? He declared them terrorists, so he can pursue deportations under INA, which entitles the deportees to a court hearing, yet he invoked a wartime 1798 law specifically to avoid having to prove his hypothesis.

  • blady_blah@lemmy.world
    19·
    1 month ago

    This is just Trump and the Central Park 5 all over again. They’re guilty because Trump feels they’re guilty. The fact they’re not actually guilty doesn’t matter.

    If you’re against authoritarianism, you should demand a trial and not just some schmuck politician labeling you a criminal being enough to send you to your death in some foreign prison.

    The fact that there’s not a uproar from the don’t tread on me crowds just reinforces the idea that they don’t see these people as like them. If this was some redneck that was randomly pointed at and said he’s a criminal and then deported to a foreign prison they would be upset. The fact that there aren’t just shows you that they see these guys as “the other”. And why do they see him as the other? That’s the question this cartoon is trying to answer…

    • Doctor_Satan@lemm.ee
      2·
      1 month ago

      I’m pretty new to Lemmy and not familiar with Pizzacake, even though I was on Reddit for years (never really went to r/all, just my curated feed). They seem pretty divisive here. Can you fill me in on them? Is it just the artwork, or is there some back story I don’t know about?

      • 😈MedicPig🐷BabySaver😈@lemmy.world
        2·
        1 month ago

        I personally don’t like the style. If i remember, many of the content just didn’t make sense, more of a personal viewpoint. Anyone that made any critique/complaint was quickly met with attitude from OP/artist.

  • Godric@lemmy.world
    13·
    1 month ago

    Something about this rubs me wrong, it it the artstyle?

    Is it the preachiness?

    Why do I cringe so?

  • lemonaz@lemmy.world
    12·
    1 month ago

    Honestly, it’s even worse than racism. It’s just full on indiscriminate cruelty. I’ve seen people not caring even if they’re white, just zero empathy and full-throated cheerleading. They just tell themselves “they’re criminals” and don’t want to accept the reality that’s staring them in the face — probably because of the implication (that they’ve been downplaying MAGA’s words and actions for so long while “alarmist leftists” were trying to warn them, making them complicit in the horrors of today).

    • InvertedParallax@lemm.ee
      5·
      1 month ago

      It’s cruelty for racism’s sake, they’re white but poor and uneducated, so it must be the fault of the browns and the libs, anyone but themselves.

      • lemonaz@lemmy.world
        2·
        1 month ago

        That’s certainly a part of it, especially the performative cruelty to own the libs. Though I think it goes beyond one group targeting another. It feels like a broad generic metastasized bigotry: a low-trust society full of people so high on their own grievances that they love nothing more than taking revenge on strangers. Sure, racism makes it more likely they target minorities, but that doesn’t mean everyone else is safe. When people are this paranoid, they’re just looking for reasons to blame anybody who gives them a bad “vibe” (which is most people). And they revel in it.

        I know it’s not everyone behaving like this, and yes some do it more than others (e.g. uneducated white men), but it sure feels like so many people of all races/genders/etc. are fine just outsourcing their cruelty to the regime. It doesn’t matter if the targets are one race or the other, they hate them all the same (they’ll make up reasons on the spot) because they’ve learned either to take sadistic pleasure in the cruelty itself (i.e. the cruelty is the point and the target is just the “object” the cruelty is applied to, feeling just as good to them when it’s a brown Venezuelan man or a white Canadian woman) or simply to ignore it, excuse it and just not care.

        It’s like Orwell’s two minutes of hate, all the time and for no reason.

        • InvertedParallax@lemm.ee
          2·
          1 month ago

          I agree it’s not purely racism, it’s generally hate of ‘the other’.

          However, I’m brown, and I the only place in America that I’ve directly experixed this kind of absolute, all-consuming hatred has been in the south.

          White men everywhere else have been quite decent, even rural white men.

          But southerners… Hitler wrote about Jim crow in mein kampf as the model for Germany to follow, and black GIs came back from liberating Europe to be lynched for being uppity.

          I have never witness or experienced such unimaginable hatred in my life, it’s as though it’s all they have room for in their hearts.

          It’s as though they generally felt they were suffering badly, and their only hope for redemption with through causing as much pain and damage as possible to those who weren’t their community’s ideal archetype.

          • lemonaz@lemmy.world
            2·
            1 month ago

            Exactly, that’s what I was getting at. I’d find it intolerable to live like that (which is what fuels their bigotry, no doubt).

            I’m very sorry to hear about your experiences. I hope you’re able to shield yourself from harm until this regrettable period can be overcome. Stay safe.

            • InvertedParallax@lemm.ee
              2·
              1 month ago

              Thanks, I managed to escape the south for the coasts and now got my family out to Europe.

              The monsters are rampaging, and America has fallen to their inhuman rage.

              • lemonaz@lemmy.world
                2·
                1 month ago

                Oh, I’m happy for you!

                I’m also in Europe but a little too far east for my liking. Thinking about leaving as well (not far, just a few countries over, somewhere nice).

                Yeah, it looks like America will get much worse before it gets better.