Idaho police officers opened fire from behind a chain-link fence just seconds after exiting their patrol cars and critically wounded a teenage boy — described by his family as nonverbal, autistic and intellectually disabled — as he stepped toward them with a knife, video from a witness shows.
Seventeen-year-old Victor Perez, who also has cerebral palsy, remained hospitalized in critical condition Tuesday after having nine bullets removed from his body and having his leg amputated, Ana Vazquez, his aunt, told The Associated Press. Doctors were planning tests on his brain activity.
The shooting Saturday in Pocatello outraged the boy’s family and neighbors as well as viewers online who questioned why the officers opened fire within about 12 seconds of exiting their patrol cars while making no apparent effort to de-escalate the situation or use less lethal weapons. Dozens of protesters gathered outside the police department Sunday, eastidahonews.com reported.
Murder, plain and simple. They immediately showed up and opened fire within less than 30 seconds.
They simply weren’t in danger. There was a fence between them and The victim.
Remember if you’ve got a problem and call the police, now you have two problems.
The poor 12 year old boy that called the police, I bet he won’t make that mistake again. He will be traumatized for life and scared of the police.
His 19-year-old son, Bridger, called 911 and reported it as a domestic dispute in a backyard.
“We understand the concern and emotion surrounding the officer-involved shooting that occurred,” he said, adding, “We are also aware of the video circulating online, which shows only one angle. The full picture requires careful review of all facts and evidence.”
Yeah, whatever.
As always, ACAB.
“Itt shows only one angle” is such an asshole thing to say. Investigation is a good thing, but they ruin it by saying stupid shit.
Also getting sick of seeing that obfuscating language: “office involved shooting” as if there was a shootout that involved officers and not officers being the only ones with guns and the only reason shooting ever happened.
There’s only one angle. These cowards shot a disabled child through a chain link fence
Eos.
They will 100% review ALL the facts and evidence (existent or otherwise) and commence an internal investigation.
nine fucking bullets…jesus christ.
There’s an effing fence. There was no person and no cop at any risk. How the ef would any reasonable person shoot?
Even if it were an actual aggressive person, actively threatening them, how would any person think deadly force was ok, on the other side of the effing fence?
And the dispatcher had said the kid was so impaired he couldn’t walk and may have stabbed himself? How is that a threat? Behind a fence?
Even if they’re a trigger happy moron looking for an excuse to murder “one of them”, how did they get to that point?
If they were reasonable people, then they would not be cops.
Because, it helps get their rocks off.
Nine bullets removed and leg amputated? Holy shit, they pretty much mag-dumped the guy. I hate it that modern cops seem to have gotten their training from CS.
These cops a shitheel attempted murderers for shooting someone who wasn’t a threat to anyone through a fence. They should both be sent to prison and permanently barred from posessing firearms.
But their form in committing that attempted murder isn’t the issue here. As far as mag dumping goes, that’s pretty standard practice when it comes to handguns. With hand guns it’s assumed that you’re going to be using them in a high stress situation where you aren’t going to have a whole lot of time to aim carefully and your adrenaline will be interfering with your aim. Plus handguns are harder to aim accurately and just plain more inaccurate than long guns. In addition, in a high stress situation someone can be shot and not even realize they got shot until the adrenaline wears off or they drop dead. It takes a pretty immediately critical wound to actually stop a human running on adrenaline and, while gunshot wounds are easily lethal given a little bit of time, there are shockingly few areas on the body where a gunshot wound is immediately lethal or immediately crippling. All this means that training for using handguns is to aim center of mass and keep pulling the trigger until your target actually drops or otherwise completely stops being a threat. They are really only meant to be last resort weapons even for cops. If you are planning on shooting someone then you get out a long gun.
The thing to criticize here is that these two subhuman skidmarks decided to immediately gun down someone who was no immediate threat to them or anyone else. Criticizing their form durring that attempted murder just gives you less credibility around those who have firearms training and is irrelevant to the fact that they just decided on murder as plan A. Bringing up their form just deflects from the fact that their reason for shooting the victim could only be that they just wanted to.
As a guy who enjoys guns(though chill with them being banned for obvious reasons) I can happily say that if this counts as a situation with enough stress to really psyke them out(a kid 5ft away behind a fence? Really?) then they’re still dogshit at using the only tool they every seem to reach for. Cops routinely prove to be awful drivers and terrible shots yet they will go for daytime high-speed chases and shootouts in crowded areas far too often. Fuck ‘em, they should be made fun of for this.
Also if that loses credibility, if that’s enough to make a gun nut switch sides, then they were already looking for an excuse and never cared about the human component to begin with.
Seems cops think they’re MaxTac already.
They certainly have the cyberpsycho part down.
The real question is how can you be a cop and be such a bad shot that you shoot someone that many times and don’t kill them
“Only imperial storm troopers are so precise.”
What kind of justification is there for emptying a whole magazine into a child? Even if the kid is running straight at you, legitimately threatening your life with a knife in a situation that I’m honestly struggling to justify here, a single bullet would do the trick.
Here’s your answer:
My friends and I categorically refuse to visit states in red. During the pandemic, their refusal to use masks and vaccines resulted in their hospital capacity reaching critical conditions, and they had to export a ton of their sick and dying to Washington and Montana, among other states. This deferred care for resident cancer patients in those states.
Guess how they thanked the states that bailed their asses out come November 5th? If you guessed “crushing tariffs”, you guessed right.
There are a few good souls there, but they have a disproportionately high number of extremely evil people.
This is the same group of “warriors” (cops , i understand these are separate states) that mag dumped after an acorn fell on their car.
Not only that, but he was on the other side of a flipping fence.
Like hunting an animal in a cage, Don Jr style.
In a situation where you’re using lethal force (e.g. a gun.) you aren’t doing the minimum or doing disabling shots or sharpshooting the knife out of their hand, you are stopping the threat. This means center mass (torso) shots to minimize the chance that you miss and hit someone behind or near them (Like the two people were near the kid.), and you shoot until they stop being a threat. Adrenaline is a hell of a drug (and whatever other potential drugs folks can be on.) and can let folks shrug off a bullet if it isn’t instantly killing them, hence the training on lethal force is shoot until they stop being a threat.
That said: Given that he hadn’t even cleared the fence they had time to back up. IMO this was a preventable shooting and they likely could have had one officer pepper spray or tase him (Both have about 15 foot range.) while the others kept guns on him.
Shooting culture.
The station gives out an Arby’s coupon every week to whoever scores the most kills.
Sitting in Arby’s eating lunch. Who do I have to kill to get a coupon for a free lunch? I got some ideas.
From what I can see, many American police officers seem to believe you have no reason to be alive if you don’t submit to law.
“This was really traumatic for me to watch, for me and my son to be a part of,” Andres said. “My son was the one that called the 911 with the hopes of helping the family deal with the situation that was going on. He had no idea that what was going to transpire.”
How the hell does anyone at this point have no idea what was going to transpire?
~~Yeah, 12 year old should know that calling 911 for help is literally murder! /s
He’s a literal child and was scared. He called for help. It’s gross to blame him or even imply he should know calling for help on the same line you call for fire and ambulances will cause an attempted murder.~~
ETA: I don’t know where I came up with him being 12, but the point about calling for help and the murder hobos being the same line as the helpers still stands. Blaming a 19 year old for calling 911 because the cops decided to try to murder someone is still gross.
I’ve been teaching my kids to not call the police their entire lives. We don’t watch Paw Patrol or Sheriff Labrador. I’ve been telling them that the police are here to protect the businesses, not us, and that police can get away with just killing people.
It absolutely sucks but I don’t want my kids to be either of the ones in this story. Fuck the police, all of them.
Absolutely, fuck the police, but are you also teaching your children to never call an ambulance or the fire department? Are we also saying fuck paramedics and firefighters? Because, again, it’s the same goddamn number for both, and you don’t usually get the other services without the murder hobos tagging along.
Maybe we can focus on the murder hobos and not blaming a child for the actions of the murder hobos.
I’ve been teaching my kids to not call the police. I have been telling them to call 911 when someone is hurt or something is on fire, neither of which were the case in this story.
We can both blame the police and not teach kids to call them. Calling them murder hobos is too charitable IMHO; it makes them sound like goofy adventurers, or not True Police who would never do this.
Where did you get the idea the caller was a 12-year-old? It says in the article he was 19. The victim was 17.
Brad Andres, who took the video, has an auto shop nearby and told the AP he noticed a disturbance when he stepped outside to take a phone call around 5:20 Saturday. His 19-year-old son, Bridger, called 911 and reported it as a domestic dispute in a backyard.
Yeah, 12 year old should know that calling 911 for help is literally murder! /s
The caller wasn’t 12.
Brad Andres, who took the video, has an auto shop nearby and told the AP he noticed a disturbance when he stepped outside to take a phone call around 5:20 Saturday. His 19-year-old son, Bridger, called 911 and reported it as a domestic dispute in a backyard.
You are actively throwing away the persons life when you call the police on them.
Yeah, absolutely clueless people.
A child called the police for help. Insulting them is crass.
I don’t know where everyone gets the idea the caller was a kid when the article is clear that he was not.
Brad Andres, who took the video, has an auto shop nearby and told the AP he noticed a disturbance when he stepped outside to take a phone call around 5:20 Saturday. His 19-year-old son, Bridger, called 911 and reported it as a domestic dispute in a backyard.
They probably read the person who lied/was mistaken in another post and automatically believed them. They’re both getting lots of upvotes for saying it was a 12-yo child who called (it was actually a 19-yo). Some people are more into getting upvotes than being accurate.
Don’t see how it matters much. A 19 year old kid called the cops for help. He did the right thing. It should have been the right thing
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He’s a kid. 19 years old is a kid. Sorry.
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He’s a kid. 19 years old is a kid
There should be some kind of a fear test for cops. Most of these shootings happen because of the great fear the cop has. The rest of the cops just want to shoot you dead. So I guess there should be some kind of “I like to shoot people dead” test as well.
Hi. Former officer of the Texas department of criminal Justice. They train fear into you. This is the intended response. This is the optimal outcome. This is exactly what he was trained to do. Half of the training is watching videos of police officers not reacting quickly or violently enough and dying and being told “always act first and monopolize the violence in the situation”. Once again, I am a former officer of the Texas department of criminal justice. This is my personal experience.
ACAB. Fuck the police. It bastardizes everyone. Including me.
The process also starts with eliminating anyone with a high IQ, so we end up with the dumbest motherfuckers in town, with authority issues.
Then they promote from within, drawing from an already limited IQ pool. Ever watch the local Police Chief talk on the news, and sound like a total dumbass? Its because departments promote for political connections, and intelligence is NEVER a factor.
“The Norden”, a documentary series that looks at the Nordic countries from the perspective of outsiders, has a very interesting episode comparing American police to those in the Nordic countries. American police gets less training and it is indeed mostly focused on spotting and neutralising potential threats.
Hi. That reminds me of a Dylan lyric…“They said what’s up is down, they said what isn’t is, they put ideas in his head that he thought were his…”. Thanks for the info, all the best.
It’s worse than that as a lot of their “training” is designed to make them feel like they’re warriors in constant danger. They are too stupid to ignore it and it’s all they get since training and the funding for it is so awful and unregulated.
Cops in the US are just running around constantly pissing themselves and it barely takes anything to put them over the edge.
Lists of the most dangerous jobs put Police Officers somewhere in the high teens. Some lists don’t even have them in the top 20. People who think that a cop’s job is so dangerous, forget that they carry a gun, taser, and asp at all times, and have an addition arsenal in the trunk. Cops are safer than kids in public school.
Ive had 2 jobs in the top 5, way more dangerous than any cop, and I’ve never gone around demanding respect because my job was so dangerous.
yeah, many departments still get trained on “stockholm syndrome” despite it being thoroughly debunked and only ever part of pop-psych. in fact, the only “experts” that ever pushed it WERE police training “experts”. the whole situation in stockholm was competely misrepresented. the women didn’t love the bank robber, they just feared that the actions the police were taking would cost them their lives and thus begged them to do things differently. the police are the ones that locked them in a bank vault with the attacker. this, among a few other misreports by said police, resulted in a media circus about these women falling in love and not wanting to be saved. the idea that the police could be dangerous to these women was inconceivable to the public at the time.
it was a classic case of the police bungling a rescue and nearly costing multiple innocent lives to try to protect capitol, then ending up causing more damage than the thief was going to steal anyway. the women involved were barely studied after, but it was quickly concluded that the police were wrong about the women and that this syndrome they named was bunk. it was never in the dsm. it was never accepted science. too bad copeganda doesn’t care about facts. as i said, this shit is so sold to American police officers to this day.
there’s a great radiolab podcast from around December that talks to the survivors about it. you can go and listen to their side of the story if you want. they were terrified of the attacker the entire time and the police just kept making things worse for them.
Surprise: Zero. Good lord that is absolutely fucked. Swear to god, I feel like even the most ardent ACAB people do actually understand that police as a community service are still valuable but I’m right with them on the ACAB train because of how universally shitty cops and police departments are about things.
And the 'roids.
Police training in the US should last more than just 6 weeks.
Cosmetology school takes a year, and then they have to get a license. Even Clown College takes 13 weeks.
Cops in Canada have far longer training and they still kill people indiscriminately.
It’s not just the training … it’s also doing in-depth psych evals multiple times during training and banning ALL of the 3rd-party training bullshit.
Fucking cops are so incompetent that they plugged him nine times, and still didnt kill him. I’m picturing them crouching and cowering behind their cars, and just lifting up their gun over the hood and mag-dumping in the general direction with their eyes closed.
Dickheads can’t even be incompetent correctly.
Opened fire from behind a chain link fence. ACAB
ACAB
As the father of a 12 year old autistic boy this world scares me. I’m not going to be damning of the police, many of you have already done this. I will be damning of our society pushing these kids to the fringe at the benefit of no one. More often than not programs for autistic children involve other autistic children which is not what we need. We need neurotypical children having more sustained interactions with autistic children and neurotypical adults with more sustained interactions with autistic adults.
I will argue (probably successfully) that 99% of neurotypical people that engage with autistic people is because they’re related to them or they’re paid to interact with them. That is a problem.
We are not solving the problem.
Mine is 11. He goes to school with the neurotypical kids. I suppose it helps in that for the most part he “knows” how he is supposed to act. But he doesn’t really apply any forward thinking to his actions. So it hasn’t shaped his behaviour much at all. We just hope that in 2 or 3 years, when some maturity hits, maybe he will have some base to work from. But we don’t know if he will ever develope that filter on his actions that everyone needs.
If neurotypical people would take a few minutes each day to think about those other than themselves, neurodiverse people might not have the problems we do in living in this world.
I dunno. I don’t think it is that easy for them. The only frame of reference they have is themselves. They can’t comprehend the drastic difference between the typical and atipical minds. And at the same time, they are inundated with various forms of media telling them what they are supposed to value in a personality. Essentially they are indoctrinated against neurodiverse people like us. Those doing the indoctrinating are really really good at it. Most people just don’t stand a chance against that.
Oh even more neurotypicals look at “The Good Doctor” and be like “that’s autistic people I get that!” And fuck off it’s the farthest thing to what autism looks like.
Exactly.
So here in Ontario we have a thing called “community class” which my son is a part of. It’s basically a class where all the disabled kids are thrown. The thing is my son does not know “how to act” nor can he learn it My oldest is your traditional Aspergers which I think is what you are referring to. That is very much a fake it until you make it in that they will learn.
Point being. Many autistic kids are very me “the other” and no amount of school will teach them. Those kids are fucked. They will never integrate. Neurotypicals will never get them.
Yeah, mine is lvl 1 which used to be aspergers. He doesn’t fit with most of the autistic molds. He is extremely aware of other people’s emotions. But the part of his brain that would shape his behaviour based on what he is aware of is just busted most of the time. Kinda like it is overridden by even the slightest idea in his head. Anyway, for the others… all we can hope for is some medical advancement that can help them some day.
Pigs. Loyal to subjugating those poorer than them. Only capable of punching down.
…this just adds to the anxiety already running rampant in some spectrum people that if they need help, they will be shot instead of assisted…
