Isn’t that the entire thought process behind Guantanamo? The constitution applies in the us, move them outside our borders and we can do whatever we want. By the same logic, the constitution applies to citizens (when on us soil), not a citizen, no constitutional protections.
To be clear, I’m entirely against this, and I don’t think that’s actually how our laws work, just furthering your point of understanding how the stupid fucks get there. The US has been skirting it’s own laws and letter-of-the-lawing it to get around whatever it doesn’t like + outright ignoring and violating our own laws when it suits us for so long that who the fuck knows what they’ll do, and how they’ll justify it, and who can blame a MAGAt for not knowing how it actually works
Sure, and the response is that if you assume that, but government treats you as a non citizen, where’s your venue to prove you are actually a citizen?
Advocate for more efficient due process, but to formally have an out of gives a dangerous window that can be used against everyone.
Due process should be afforded to everyone within your borders. That doesn’t mean people get a good outcome, just that there’s a fair process to establishing the outcome.
I get their thought process. To them, the constitution applies only to US citizens. They are stupid fucks for sure, but I get it.
Isn’t that the entire thought process behind Guantanamo? The constitution applies in the us, move them outside our borders and we can do whatever we want. By the same logic, the constitution applies to citizens (when on us soil), not a citizen, no constitutional protections.
To be clear, I’m entirely against this, and I don’t think that’s actually how our laws work, just furthering your point of understanding how the stupid fucks get there. The US has been skirting it’s own laws and letter-of-the-lawing it to get around whatever it doesn’t like + outright ignoring and violating our own laws when it suits us for so long that who the fuck knows what they’ll do, and how they’ll justify it, and who can blame a MAGAt for not knowing how it actually works
Sure, and the response is that if you assume that, but government treats you as a non citizen, where’s your venue to prove you are actually a citizen?
Advocate for more efficient due process, but to formally have an out of gives a dangerous window that can be used against everyone.
Due process should be afforded to everyone within your borders. That doesn’t mean people get a good outcome, just that there’s a fair process to establishing the outcome.
No, there is no thought process, it’s all just words.