- cross-posted to:
- world@quokk.au
- cross-posted to:
- world@quokk.au
Summary
Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered 160,000 more Russians aged 18–30 be drafted from April 1 to July 15, amid U.S.-brokered ceasefire talks.
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy warned the Kremlin is preparing a major offensive in Sumy, Kharkiv, and Zaporizhzhia, accusing Russia of stalling negotiations to gain territorial leverage.
Over 100,000 Russian soldiers are confirmed dead. Ukraine reported 46,000 dead and 380,000 wounded.
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This is America’s future. Conscription is in Project 2025 and make no mistakes about it. The Christian Nationalist Death Cult would love to send you to the front.
Nah I’m too trans to be let in even as a conscript. They would rather just kill me domestically 🎉
Nah, they’ll just stick you right on the front line to catch bullets.
The Christian Nationalist Death Cult would love to send you to the front.
To fight for Russia against Ukraine or Israel against Iran. Maybe if they’re in a good mood, you’ll be able to choose which genocide you participate in.
According to this article, project 2025 doesn’t do that. It proposes requiring students to take the military ASVAB test. Which honestly isn’t the worst idea. In my high school they recommended people who didn’t know what they wanted to do for a career to take it even if they weren’t going into the military.
They are planning to make all public school kids take the test but not the private school kids. It will be for conscription. They will know where to throw your ass to make the meat grinder run better. That’s the only reason for this bullshit
Huh… They made all of us take it. But I went to school in a rural red state in the mid 90s.
Lol have you seen kids these days? I’d be surprised if more than 15 percent are fit for service, and of that 15% maybe half would pass a drug screen.
Kids in the 1960s were the same, and the USA still sent them off to get killed, maimed, and traumatized for the rest of their lives.
No, childhood obesity is way up since then.
Fat people can still fly drones and kill political enemies
And catch bullets.
It’s a fucking depressing state of affairs…
Have you seen what Russia is throwing out to get blown up? As long as you can absorb some rounds they don’t care.
They won’t care, they’re just cannon fodder.
Remember, over the next decade, many jobs are going to be replaced by AI and robotics. All the technology exists to convert every fast food outlet to be fully automated. Imagine how many young, unskilled people will be unemployed when the fast food companies shift from humans to robots.
With all the coming automation, we could see a permanent unemployment rate of 30%, or even more. We will be faced with two solutions: Universal Basic Income (which will be very unpopular with the Sociopathic Oligarchs and MAGA), or reduce the population by the amount of the unemployment rate.
An incompetently managed war, with an unforgiving draft (unless you are a rich nepo-baby), is a perfect way to accomplish that.
Isn’t conscription already a thing in USA? Many countries silently paused conscription but it’s just there
Not since the 70’s
That’s the other guys point. We haven’t used it since the 70s, but the system is still in place to be used. Easy to fire it up again.
My point was at least half or more of the US population has little-to-no-memory of what that was like.
My dad was drafted during the Vietnam era but I’m in my 50’s and have no actual memory of that time.
I know it happened but I was really young when they stopped the draft and we’ve had several generations born since then who also have no memory of it.
It would be politically dangerous for a government to restart a draft absent an actual world war-type situation or a dictatorship.
That’s what people don’t understand about the Vietnam War. People were against the war, but if it was waged by volunteers, then most people would have accepted it grudgingly. It was the draft that made everybody lose their fucking minds.
Imagine being a teenaged boy in America, during the 60s, knowing that when you turn 18, you will be eligible for the draft. The government will literally kidnap you from the bedroom in your parents’ house, where you have spent every night of your life. You’ve never experienced any aspect of adult life, you’re probably a virgin, but now you’re given a few weeks of basic training, and sent halfway across the world to a country you couldn’t find on a globe a few months ago, to kill or be killed. The life expectancy of an inexperienced new draftee thrown into the war zone was extremely short.
Complicating the issue was that many fathers were supportive of the war, because they had fought in WWII, but that was a war with a clear reason and objective. Nobody could clearly articulate why we were in Vietnam, nor what would define a “victory.”
Obviously, extreme fear defined every young man in America, as well as their families. HitlerPig and his henchmen love instilling fear into people, and a draft is a particularly insidious way to do that. I have no doubt that when HitlerPig launches his wars (there will almost certainly be more than one, it will be a World War, after all), he will gleefully demand a draft, and use it to threaten and punish his enemies.
I will say this unequivocally: There is no way that I will allow my son to be drafted into a HitlerPig war. And if somehow they get their hands on him, I will have nothing to lose, and will become a very dangerous individual. Of my personal red lines to not cross, that is my bightest and reddest.
This is America’s future. Conscription is in Project 2025
Americans could still prevent that future if a few million of them got off their asses and took action against the fascist takeover of their country.
But that would get in the way of watching American idol, and HoneyBooBoo reruns, wouldn’t it…
The religious nutters will form a White Christian unit copying the Iranian Revolutionary Guard, march with the goose step and all of the sick fucks will have Jerusalem Cross tattoos.
Conscription will start after the US economy completely swirls down the shitter leaving all sorts of skid marks.
That’s why they made abortion illegal.
Kapo Stephen “PeeWee Himmler” Miller has said that he wants to reduce the population of America from 335 million to 100 million people. An incompetently managed war that is wasteful of human lives is a perfect way to accomplish much of his objective.
Where’s Trump and his “young, brave men”? You know, that speech. The one aimed at Zelensky stating he should just stop the war and stop being desperate by conscripting more people for the defense effort?
Eh, must have left it in the same place he left the “Zelensky is a dictator” comment after he was asked if Putin was also a dictator.
I mean, it’s a fucking pointless, blood drenched meat grinder on both fronts. Like some kind of WW1 reenactment with the safeties turned off.
You don’t need to be a fan of either side to want this nightmare to end. But since the people in charge have no real skin in the game (because they’re sociopaths who are more than happy to see these populations sacrificed to their vainglory) the killing simply will not end.
If that simplistic and dismissive view is your take on the whole Ukraine defending their sovereignty against a foreign invader…
Then Doktor Jidanbo prescribes you with less Fox News consumption - as 9/10 dentists say it clouds judgement.
Stopping the ‘meat grinder’ is actually very simple. All that needs to happen is for Russia to stop attacking Ukraine and leave Ukrainian soil. All Russia needs to do is wanting to actually end it, which is the part all the greedy vultures wanting to carve up Ukraine conveniently leave out.
I rather die a proud fighter who fought my oppressors than live in misery while they gleefully take what’s mine, and my loved ones. Capitulating to bullies only leads to more bloodshed. Standing up to them and making them regret their barbaric ways is how you actually stop them.
Take that any way you want, as that’s all I’m gonna say.
I’ve had a relevant quote in my head about this for a long time: “if Russia put down their guns, there would be peace. If Ukraine put down their guns, there would be no Ukraine”
Ukraine defending their sovereignty against a foreign invader…
Wasn’t Donetsk in the grip of a civil war, during which ethnic Russians were being bombed and gunned down by Ukrainian militias? For six years?
I rather die a proud fighter
In what division? The 101st Chairborne?
All the Redditors who were going to die in glorious conflict did it in the first year of the war, when they gave away their positions doing social media influencer shit within range of Russian artillery.
You have reached your daily propaganda quota, good work tovarish now have that free bottle of potato vodka.
Ukraine is fighting an existential defensive war to save their country. Their soldiers fight to defend their loved ones and families.
Ukraine is fighting an existential defensive war
It’s bleeding out over a proxy war certainly. But it’s existence was foreclosed during Maidan. The civil war was the end of Ukraine. This is just dogs fighting over the corpse
Where do you get your information from? Your posts are basically 1:1 kremlin speak.
Have you not heard about the Maidan Revolution and subsequent civil war? The sharp divide between East and West, resulting in militia violence and hundreds of thousands of displaced residents? The billions in property destruction resulting from eleven years of armed conflict? The wholesale privatization of the remaining Ukrainian economy? Collapses in education, health care, transport, and energy within the country? Mass conscription and casualties resulting in depopulation of working-aged Ukrainians?
Or do you believe “Civil Wars are bad for your country” is a Evil Foreigner talking point?
Politicians never fight their wars. Conscription is slavery.
Oh hey this is a shift for you. Maybe you’re all about Russian military aggression until you find out that you might need to actually get your hands dirty?
Ukraine is Russia’s Vietnam.
or Russia’s Afghanistan
Afghanistan is Russia’s Afghanistan.
glad you picked that up haha
Afghanistan is Afghanistan’s Afghanistan too.
Afghanistan is everyone’s Afghanistan 😂
Ukraine is about nearly 10x Vietnam at this point.
Hell, Russia experienced a Vietnam level of loss in about 2 months during the Avdiivka offensive.
Ukraine is Russia’s Mongol Invasion of Japan.
Rest in peace you poor bastards. Forced to fight a rich mans war… for nothing.
Yep so many will due horribly because of their awful dictator
How many will be oligarchs sons?
BYOB - System of a Down
My first thought was CCR - Fortunate son
We can’t make it here anymore - James McMurtry also has something to say on the subject.
i love that song
Or even any from large cities?
Clearly showing what he really thinks of Trump’s bullshit “peace” plan.
Russia isn’t going to have any young men left.
Might finally play against some non russian cs2 mic spammers
That’s a problem because?
Vlad should call his MAGA supporters to join his cause and it will fulfill their need for violence.
Also they would take heavy casualties. Use them as pure cannon fodder.
From what I’ve seen on the reddit right-leaning subs most of them are very against the entire war and sending money/troops at all.
Are they going to be equipped like the Russian soldiers in late WWII? One soldier gets a rifle, the other gets five bullets, and both get helmets the thickness of tin cans.
Russian soldiers in late WW2 were typically very well equipped, as were most soldiers by that stage in the war (even German soldiers were pretty decently equipped late war, though mostly due to having almost no soldiers left to equip).
Late summer 1941 and even at points during Stalingrad, sure there were definitely times when soviet soldiers were being thrown into battle massively underequipped, but this was the exception rather than the rule.
By 1944 (even by 1943) the Red Army was more mechanised than the Wehrmacht and was better at Blitzkrieg than the Wehr ever were.
Lend lease really helped with mechanization. The jeeps and trucks they had were indispensable for the war effort. We often talk about guns and bombs, but people don’t realize how important transportation and heavy machinery is.
“Infantry wins battles, logistics wins wars.”
Without logistics the infantry cannot win anything.
That is ww1. Not world war 2. The whole ‘wait for your comrade to die and take his weapons’ did not happen during ww2. It did happen in ww1.
I can hear this image.
Conscript reporting.
The last round of conscription was meet with uncharacteristically loud pushback from the russian public so pushing ahead with even more is interesting. Is the kremlin that confident in the effect of it’s propaganda? or is it just that desperate?
Maybe I should just Google it but… do you remember any specific cases of this pushback?
This articles covers some interesting incidents and this wikipedia article is more exhaustive though covers the domestic anti-war events more broadly.
Ehh sorry. I assumed/hoped you were talking about something more, that I wasn’t aware of. I know of these protests, but they were not nearly intense enough to disrupt the system. Much of the urban youth that might have led the protests has left the country in the meantime too, so I wouldn’t be surprised if the next round of recruitment is met with even weaker resistance…
There were protests and hundred of thousands of young Russian men left the country after Putin announced the first “partial” mobilisation. The recruitment process was also botched and conscripted even the disabled and old.
The Kremlin is confident that they will kill as many protesters as will be required to destroy any uprising.
Both sides have resorted impressment to refill their ranks, regardless of public pushback men can still get bagged into a van on the street and sent to the front lines.
effect of its* propaganda
The pushback was for the mobilisation, while this is a start of a routine conscription event, these happen twice every year
more fertilizer for the ukrainian soil
I have a friend who insists he can defeat any animal in a fight as long as he has enough size advantage and lay on the animal and pin it down. He has apparently never seen a cat, much less a chimp.
This makes me think of my nephew who is convinced that a dog like a Cane Corso or Kangal can take on a bear 1v1.
Oh, look. Russian “brain drain” heading to Russias southern borders.
More like blood drain, their brains are probably in atrophy.
Generational alcohol abuse will do that.
