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Is X the new swastika?
It’s actually XYZ
X is the American fascists
Z are the Russian fascists
Y is what you keep asking
Yes.
US will make Europe great again lmao
Feels bad to realize your profession isn’t particularly useful outside of the U.S. I’d like to stay and fight regardless, but the reality is if I stop being able to get my meds there won’t be much I can do besides being fodder.
never occurred to me how close x is to the swastika :)
Ye a swastica is an X with extra steps
Heim ins
ReichBundesrepublikDon’t think you white folk don’t realise Europe has no real power anymore and shifting to facism. America has military hegemony, but not science or manufacturing, and again falling to facism and corporations.
Real power is moving to where stuff is getting made and leaving thode with bullshit over inflation like Tesla, or many other stocks. The current center of economic power has moved closer and closer to where it was 500 years ago.
Ayyyy. Some good ol’ Chinese shill. On our Lemmy. What an amazing day to be alive.
So many Euro simps on Lemmy. It’s like a circle jerk for Europe on here for some reason. Which is kinda proving your own point around the growing fascism (Nationalism) in Europe. This time it seems to be Fascism fueled by a “European” identity alongside a “German or Italian” identity. Though state nationalism is growing it seems to be growing along with EU nationalism.
It’s very much fueled by anti immigrant (primarily anti Arab) sentiment. The most obvious of which is Germany. A country that has a national identity built around guilt for the Holocaust but at the same time pretending that they have some unobtainable (by others) perspective on Antisemitism. Which ironically is fueling modern day Antisemitism against Arabs in Germany.
Germany is literally repeating it’s antisemitic past by blindly supporting Israel and blaming Arab immigrants for all its problems. Literally supporting a Jewish Supremacists Ethnostate that models much of Nazi Germany in it’s oppression of Palestine.
Germany is just an example. But a lot of Europe (Poland being another strong example) is absolutely diving head first into the fascist pool. I don’t see how anyone paying attention could disagree with much of what you said.
Edit: Downvoted but not a single reply addressing anything I said. Enjoy your Fascism Europe. You’re going the same way as the US whether you are opening your eyes to it or not.
You sure as hell cherry pick as much as you desire don’t you?
We don’t simp for Europe.
We are Europe.
Stop thinking the world revolves around you bud.
I just keep getting replies like this with zero substance. Just Europeans saying “I’m wrong”. Enlighten me. In what way did I think the world revolved around me? I literally was just talking about actual things happening in Europe. Seriously, tell me what part of my comment was at all self centered? Sounds like you’re just projecting.
Also, yeah, you can be a European simp AND be European. They often go hand in hand. That and hating Arabs and Eastern Europeans. All these substanceless replies are just proving my point of European supremacy and nationalism that is exploding in the EU.
How dare I point out the racism of Germany and it’s support for genocide. How dare I! I’m so self centered!
Careful, your complexes are overspilling.
Germany and Poland are two of your examples. Are there any other examples? Please, anyone reply with as many real examples as you can and want. I think Italy is one? Please confirm. 🥲
The EU has the second biggest economy in the world and contains 3 of the G7 nations (4 if you include the UK, which will almost certainly pivot back to EU membership in the next few years). All member states are part of NATO and France, Germany and the UK possess a significant nuclear arsenal.
But yeh, no real power.
PS 500 years ago, the economic power was Western European countries like France, England, Portugal, Spain.
500 years ago, the economic power was Western European countries like France, England, Portugal, Spain.
Ps, you’re so confidently wrong. 1525 the economic powers of the world were India and china https://www.businessinsider.com/mckinsey-worlds-economic-center-of-gravity-2012-6
Here’s a nice graphic to make it easy for your Eurocentric mind to comprehend
second biggest economy
Bud how put of date your knowledge is? You from the 90s? Name the top 5 in order of GDP? Go ahead. Please. I know you’re speaking of Germany but please try and back it up it in 2025 that they are the second biggest economy lmao
Also is Europe getting richer, is American or European manufacturing improving? No, it’s going towards china, towards India, towards Africa. Europe became rich because of hundreds of years of exploitation and another 100 years of soft power to ensure cheap resources than be taken to Europe/America, produce high quality and sent back. Problem is, the world is now able to do a lot of it itself and Asia can make everything it needs and give to all other Asian and African Nations.
Military threat, yeah, 100% that’s all Europe has, that’s how you become rich was bombing and exploiting others. But the suprise factor is gone, nobody trusts you guys, look at the trade map, you think you’re gonna challenge this?
1525 the economic powers of the world were India and china https://www.businessinsider.com/mckinsey-worlds-economic-center-of-gravity-2012-6
that is a fascinating map; i noticed that despite making projections about 2025 the date of that post is actually 2012; Business Insider attributes it to McKinsey, but via ZeroHedge (who charges for access to their archives).
I wanted more context so I spent a few minutes searching; in case anyone else is curious it comes from a report called “Urban world: Cities and the rise of the consuming class” by McKinsey Global Institute.
Here is their summary of it, and here is the 92 page PDF of the full report.
here is MGI's 'economic center of gravity' methodology
The center of gravity analysis is based on country-level historical estimates from Angus Maddison for the period AD 1 until 2007, and country-level growth rates from Cityscope 2.0 until 2025. We then allocated each country’s GDP value to the approximate center of landmass of the respective country. The same center of each country was used throughout the entire time frame. To calculate the global center of gravity, landmass radian coordinates were transformed into Cartesian coordinates with a tool from the UK Ordnance Survey that uses ED50/ UTM data and projection (see www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/oswebsite/gps). We then transformed these coordinates into respective momentums and averaged these to a true economic center of gravity for each year, located within the sphere of the earth. To illustrate the shift of gravity, we lengthened the vectors from the center of the earth to the center of gravity so that they lie on the earth’s surface. Although the concept of “surfacing” might create problems for interpreting data, both the resulting direction and the magnitude of the surfaced shifts were directionally consistent with the internal shifts, too. The four periods with the fastest shift, 2000–10, 1940–50, and 2010–25, maintain the same rank order, while the 1500–1820 period ranks 11th on surface but eighth on the “true” center of gravity.
here is what they say about ~500 years ago
Until 1500, Asia was the center of gravity of the world economy, accounting for roughly two-thirds of global GDP. But in the 18th and 19th centuries, urbanization and industrialization vaulted Europe and the United States to prominence. We are now observing a decisive shift in the balance back toward Asia—at a speed and on a scale never before witnessed. China’s economic transformation resulting from urbanization and industrialization is happening at 100 times the scale of the first country in the world to urbanize—the United Kingdom—and at ten times the speed (Exhibit E2).
but wait, where did they get that GDP data from?
They actually cite Angus Maddison’s Monitoring the World Economy 1820–1992 which doesn’t sound like something that goes to AD 1. It looks like Maddison also published The World Economy: A Millennial Perspective (currently only a limited preview on archive.org) in 2001, which this reproduces Appendix B of - which seems like probably their source:
World GDP, 20 Countries and Regional Totals, 1-2001 AD
I’m not sure how Geary–Khamis dollars (“a hypothetical unit of currency that has the same purchasing power parity that the U.S. dollar had in the United States at a given point in time”) are supposed to work for time periods prior to the existence of the United States, but i think I’ve spent enough time on this rabbit hole for now :)
The Ottoman Empire would like to have a word with you.
Go back to reddit ffs :D
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Just give a year or two and brains will be fleeing EU also
Why would they?
Here in Germany, we will have a conservative government at best and a fascist one at worst. AFD is at 20% at national levels, and locally they are winning in the East, which I, naive and wrongly motivated as I was, moved to from merry Bavaria.
I’m German too. We should built a wall and make the Ossis pay for it… Wait a second 🤔.
I’d say we are in an odd position. I don’t know when you last attended a PhD ceremony, but in engineering, over half were foreigners. The US already had a brain drain, by not producing top notch scientists and engineers. This is only exacerbating the issue.
I hope this is true, with the attacks on science in the US, we’re really looking at falling backward here. I’m afraid we’ll lose good weather forecasting and GPS services very soon, to just name the low hanging fruit.
If only there was something the American people could do about this.
1945-1959: Same as 1930s but the scientist guy is also a Nazi (and Hitler has a bullet hole lmao)
I’m an ignorant American, what’s the significance of the bull/ox?
That woman on the bull is Europa (Ancient Greek Εὐρώπη, Eurṓpē), daughter of the Phoenician king Agenor, lived about 2000 BCE. The bull is the shapeshifted Zeus that is kidnapping Europa. They had sex and sired Minos, king of Crete. Minos is the one who feed the Minotaur by sending children into its labyrinth.
Yeah Greek mythology is weird.
O Gabriel, now dawns thy reckoning, and thy gore shall GLISTEN before the temples of Man!
Well that is a healthy family for sure
The bull that fathered the Minotaur was not Zeus, it was a gift by Poseidon who expected king Minos to sacrifice the bull to Poseidon. The king kept the gift and sacrificed another bull, Poseidon got pissed and had the king’s wife screw the bull, giving birth to the Minotaur.
Wait, I thought the minotaur was the son of the king of Minos’ wife? Did gods do double-damage on his bloodline?
I bet they did more than that.
The whole god/demigod/etc. ancestry is totally fucked up. Zeus copulated with every woman he could find, even his sisters!
Anything with a pulse really. And probably some things without.
You are correct, the bull that sired the Minotaur was not Zeus, and Europe was not the mother. That’s a different bull-queen pair.
EU - “Nation States”
Thanks! I just googled it and it mentioned “Europa and the bull” representing unity and peace.
We could definitely use some of that, but unfortunately we just get a bunch of what the bull leaves behind instead… :/
Makes me wanna cry
“Scientists” bouncing between fascists in a losing attempt to preserve privilege.
I’m super curious why you put scientists in quotes. I literally can’t figure out what that’s supposed to imply.
And by privilege you mean access to basic freedom and the pursuit of knowledge.
Most scientists are underpaid and overworked.
And demonized. No country hates scientists more than America. The average American cherry picks their science and treat science that goes against their preconceived notions as conspiracies, but jump at the chance to defend their favorite corporations like you attacked family. It’s disgusting.
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Why do you think so? I know post docs basically only looking for jobs outside of the US, and several friends who got funding for grad or summer students cancelled, and know if one case getting pressure to change titles of dissertation to better align with the administration stance.
Science is getting hit hard here, the damage is done, and this could take decades to recover from. And that’s assuming things are able to shift back to where things were.
You’re not going to get an answer, at least not one based on logical tangible reality. If there was one it would have been addended to the comment to support the accusation to actually try and make a convincing argument in good faith. This is not that. The assumption is that you will know exactly what they’re talking about and upvote blindly in solidarity, sort of like a dog whistle, signaling to those who also listen to same right wing propaganda.
I know this exact same kind of comment by instinct because many years ago I too left those kinds of comments when I was an insufferable alt right assclown, and you will see it everywhere on any subject in any place where right wingers start showing up - the YouTube comment sections of certain channels, certain subreddits, all over Facebook, or god forbid you have ever bore witness to one of the most deplorable dregs of the internet: news article comment sections, when they were still a thing.
I actually wrote most of this out before looking at the profile because I was so confident, and after doing so for due diligence, I can confirm my suspicions. And if you unfortunately are forced to spend any time around right wingers, this kind of thing is common in their daily conversation. I shit you not I once heard someone blame an intermittent power outage on “the globalists”, and the others nodded their head in solidarity of outrage with zero evidence. It was a connection issue from the complex to the power lines, a transformer that needed to be replaced, as clarified by the utility company an hour later.
glad you escaped - team ‘logical tangible reality’ needs all the help it can get
How so?
