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Summary
Following a February 7th neo-Nazi rally, residents of Lincoln Heights, a majority-Black Ohio town, formed an armed Safety and Watch Program to protect against hate groups.
The rally, where participants waved swastikas and shouted slurs, received little police intervention, sparking fears of future threats when no arrests or identifications were made during the incident.
Volunteers now patrol bus stops and neighborhoods. “I’ve never felt safer as a Black man in my community,” said spokesperson Daronce Daniels.
The historically underserved and self-governing community shows strong support for the initiative with yard signs and sees this as a continuation of its legacy of self-reliance and community defense.
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The cops didn’t didn’t show up for the same reason that you never see Hannah Montana and Miley Cyrus at the same time.
They were already there! Just in a different uniform
Good news: Law enforcement has operatives highly placed in every domestic terror organization.
Bad news: they are not informants.
Wanna bet this community sees a temporary decrease in crime?
Hell, I personally would feel safer as an opponent of facism there too.
History shows us that this will not be tolerated for long though, regardless of the constitutional right. I hope this idea is picked up elsewhere. There are a lot of places that could benefit from running their own regulated militia: cities, towns, and neighborhoods.
You wanna bet they’re gonna make some laws now to restrict them because black people are exercising their 2nd amendment rights.
That’s the part I’m curious about. California did enact a law in 1967 requiring permits to openly carry loaded firearms, but the Black Panthers didn’t just go away.
Anything enacted at a federal level will get pushback, and I’m very curious about how it will be constructed to avoid pissing off their support. In either way, I would presume that people aren’t just going to passively hand over their guns. We know how that ends up.
I mean I can certainly imagine, why.
But this feels so strange, reading as European…
Ask someome in their 90’s if it feels strange.
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Have you seen Alabama, Arkansas or anything outside of Miami Florida? It isn’t pretty.
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She said this measure would have given her officers more leeway to make arrests during the neo-Nazi rally.
Isn’t this just an acknowledgement that the mask wearers weren’t breaking any law, but the Sheriff just really wanted to arrest them for some reason?
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Sometimes they say the quiet part out loud.
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The rally, where participants waved swastikas
Why isn’t this enough to shot them in the face?
Millions died at war to stop swastika-waving scum, and the world united to never allow this to happen again, so why is American society suddenly ok with letting them terrorize communities?
Almost all of the WW2 vets are gone man. I worry that the far right resurgence around the world is being allowed to happen because people are simply ignorant to the horror of WW2. I remember talking to someone younger than me about Adolf Hitler and the Holocaust. He didn’t seem to think much of the Holocaust which I found disturbing. I started bringing up the numbers and I could see the shock in his face. He genuinely didn’t seem to grasp just how many people were murdered because of fascism.
History classes in the US cover WW2, but barely touch on the causes of WW2.
History classes in the US are patriot washed to convince soon to be laborers that they’re living in the greatest country to ever possibly exist.
“People’s History of the United States” and “Lies My Teacher Told Me” were eye opening to the omissions from my primary education. “Trail of Tears” should be required reading.
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I get it in the past because the information was simply not accessible for most people. Nowadays there is no excuse for ignorance. It takes a 5 minute google search to get a taste of the inhumanity of history. Everyone should be willing to put in at least 5 minutes man.
People should be teaching their own children these truths. The schools have been compromised.
I think everyone should attend an event where they can personally thank a WW2 vet.
And we can apologise to them at the same time for not honouring their sacrifice by allowing tyranny to rise up nearly uninhibited.
I regularly watch documentaries about out WW2 as a reminder of how easily dictators can threaten civilization, but also to learn about what it took for ordinary people to become heroes.
Because the Venn diagram of those waving swastikas and those enforcing the law is nearly a circle.
Some of those that burn crosses???
Blue by Day, White by Night. On a Klan/Cop button I have from the 70s
You ever been to an anti far right protest? You can tell who the cops like more. It’s the cowards in hoods
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It’s a good thing Ronald Reagan isn’t around anymore.
I read this with the subtext that Ronald Reagan worked as governor of California to pass gun control after Black Panthers were exercising their right to bear arms.
Underrated comment, ty
You read good.
If Reagan were around to see this we might stand a chance at getting some kind of gun control.
With Trump you just might
Getting organized is good.
Individuals just yolo shooting Nazis and CEOs is kind of heart warming, but real power I think comes from organizing.
yeah but you don’t expect that shit from first world country, america is in decline
That why the rest of the world expect this from the USA
We need these in every neighbor hood now
NRA inexplicably starts sweating
Oh, that was just perfect. Thank you.
Very relevant: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mulford_Act
Resist fascism!
So the white sherif is more worried about black folks wearing masks and carry assault rifles than the neo Nazis wearing masks and carrying weapons? And not identifying them?
I understand cops don’t want to arrest their friends, but this is pretty bad, even by those standards.
its almost as if the cops are the ones behind the masks, the way they are protecting them…
Some of those that work forces…
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When there is blood, highly likely it will be from both.
Alas, the tree of liberty must be watered with the blood of both patriots and tyrants.
It is with a heavy heart we must accept this and move forward, as our elected leaders have now left us with virtually no other choice.
‘Twas ever thus.
We already decided in WW2, so Nazis shouldn’t get another chance to come back.
I can guess whose blood the police prefer.
Every group of people need to have autonomy and independence, and the right to self-govern. No people should have to fear violence and repression from another group.
Are the fucking neo-Nazis showing up in Tesla Cyber trucks? They fucking asswipes should be.
I would wadger to guess that the majority of Neo-Nazis that show up to rallies like that on not in a tax bracket that could afford a cybertruck 😆
They roll in the back of rented U-Haul trucks like the warriors they are 🫠
Dollar store APC
Hey I think I’ve seen this episode before!
Yeah, this I’d the first season. Next season the US military will bomb the city
Or they might just have the local police bomb and incenerate an entire city block like in Philly.
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I think letting everybody have a gun is absolutely moronic. But if i was living in the US right now i would definitely be stocking up on assault rifles and ammo.
An assault rifle just tells everyone you can’t aim and are happy with indiscriminate targeting. They are fine when you are fighting 1000 of something, but there’s a reason the army sharpshooting badge doesn’t include burst fire (or didn’t thirty year’s ago, anyway).
I’d recommend just about anything else for self defense, actually.
I can’t because of some mental health concerns in my household (not the least of which, my own), but otherwise I’d have a revolver.
An assault rifle just tells everyone you can’t aim and are happy with indiscriminate targeting.
Tell me you’ve never shot a gun, without telling me you’ve never shot a gun
Qualified expert with an M-16. Which also implies I’ve fired an M-60, but that’s not really relevant to the discussion.
[Assault rifles] are fine when you are fighting 1000 of something, but… I’d recommend just about anything else for self defense, actually.
(Pointedly) Yeah, we know.
I’m not thinking about self defense against some burglar. I’m talking about self defense in the sense the US gun nuts have been talking about for decades. Now that tyranny has actually arrived, they’re very quiet all of a sudden. Who would have thought.
WWI more than a hundred years ago demonstrated conclusively the military worthlessness of a bunch of dudes armed with rifles, when faced with the real elements of state military power: artillery, tanks and airplanes. The US government has no fear of a bunch of fat old dudes with closets full of peashooters.
That must be why they beat theTaliban so decisively.
Oh yes, on an open battlefield against declared combatants, absolutely. However, that’s not how it’s going to go down in the US. This is where we get to dredge up that old quote about a rifle behind every blade of grass.
Take a look at any “anti-insurgency” operation in the last ~80 years or any situation that devolved into door-to-door warfare in a city full of both nongovernment combatants and also where basically every single civilian also hates you and your army. Except in our case about a third (32%) of those civilians are armed.
Even if only half of those civilians are on our side, we’d outnumber the entirety of the US police and military forces combined by a little over 13 to 1. Nobody wants to fight a war of attrition and I’m not recommending one, but the fascists would have to achieve an unrealistically ludicrous k/d ratio to succeed. There’s no way around it other than this would outright require indiscriminately blowing up large sections of their own cities and infrastructure to get us, surely killing a handful of combatants each time but also taking out at least double their number in uninvolved civilians.
That sort of thing does not tend to go any way towards making the rest of those civilians left get less involved.
TBH I don’t think us Americans would actually have the stomach to be on the receiving end of anti-insurgency operations in the way that, say, the Vietnamese and Afghan people were - enduring 20 or 30 deaths for every oppressor killed. Also, I don’t know that very many of us would understand the need to handle all communications and organizing without using social media or the Internet at all. Today’s fascists have tools of social control that were undreamt of in the past.
This situation absolutely calls for rifIe usage. Tell us you know nothing about firearrns without telling us…
I keep a cavalry company of winged hussars in my back yard. Fuck with me and get lanced mofo!
I think you’d be better off with one, and spend the change left over on more ammo. You only have two hands.
Maybe I’d find some people to use the other ones.
Valid.
At current gun ownership rates in the US, every willing person who wanted a gun could be issued one instantly if enough people were willing to share.
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