• nova_ad_vitum@lemmy.caEnglish
      8·
      2 days ago

      Even if they did Russia wouldn’t be able to resist constantly antagonizing them to the point that they seek NATO membership. Thats what “NATO expansionism” is.

  • EmoDuck@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    116·
    2 days ago

    Seems like reasonable demand

    Of course, for fairness sake that would also mean no Russian troops in any russian countries bordering the West

      • Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
        2·
        9 hours ago

        2009

        Thank you for mentioning this. I didn’t take notice at the time (a bit too young still) and never properly read up on their invasion of Georgia.

      • CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
        2·
        2 days ago

        Yes, the terror of nuclear annihilation will be significantly tempered by the hilarity if he tries taking on Europe.

        Okay, that sounds sarcastic, but I think I actually mean it. He will get rekt and it will be satisfying. Then I’ll turn to figuring out nuclear winter in fucking Canada.

      • Nosavingthrow@lemmy.worldEnglish
        10·
        2 days ago

        I’m not convinced it’s that important since the Russian people will be the ones affecting the invasion. Dramatic punctuation doesn’t change the fact that Putin has been in continuous control of Russia for decades. He’s their guy. I think the American public is complicit in genocide of Palestinians. Why would the Russian public get a pass for the misdeads of their government?

        • AllToRuleThemOne@lemmy.worldEnglish
          1·
          2 days ago

          Of course they will be affected and already do be. I don‘t get the point? No, he is not. A lot of people got arrested and/or killed because they protested (way before the „special operation“) and a lot of people fled the country. Unfortunately the core state of the USSR never managed to establish a functionsl democracy. But clannishness is bullshit. Putin made himself over decades a de facto dictator - tsar? Well, dramatic punctuation does in fact emphasize core ideas: To be Russian =/= To be evil or supporting putin.

          • Nosavingthrow@lemmy.worldEnglish
            3·
            1 day ago

            Nobody called anybody evil. This isn’t about clans. People who live in Russia (ie Russians) will be the ones on the ground doing the invading. Whether they like it or not, they are supporting Putin. It’s not really important what’s in the heart of Ivan on the ground if he’s picking up a rifle or mass producing fasteners used in the construction of tanks.

  • floo@retrolemmy.comEnglish
    87·
    2 days ago

    Of course, his demands are impossible. That way, he can just point to everyone else and say “see? They’re prolonging the war!“

    I really wish people would stop, acting shocked and surprised when Putin and Trump do shit like this. We have known, for decades, that both of them are insane monsters. Do something!

    • chonglibloodsport@lemmy.worldEnglish
      17·
      2 days ago

      Trump might be insane but Putin is far from it. He’s been locked in a battle for the survival of his regime (and by extension his life) for decades. He’s extremely savvy at playing the political game in Russia.

      Trump basically shoots from the hip all the time and thinks only his relationships with people and his deal-making matter. He’s a sitting duck for a manipulator like Putin.

    • Miles O'Brien@startrek.websiteEnglish
      18·
      2 days ago

      That way, he can just point to everyone else and say “see? They’re prolonging the war!“

      Luckily this only works for two year iods and the dumbest motherfuckers on the planet.

      Which is who is in charge of a lot of places, but you’d think normal people would never listen for a second.

  • Korhaka@sopuli.xyzEnglish
    100·
    2 days ago

    So Russia wants vassal states of everyone on their border. Just fucking try it with Finland. Go on, it will be funny.

  • Hubi@feddit.orgEnglish
    61·
    2 days ago

    Russia is not a serious country. The demands are essentially a shitpost. It’s one of the most delusional things I’ve seen in a while.

  • uuldika@lemmy.mlEnglish
    52·
    2 days ago

    so, NATO’s surrender then… as a condition of a cease-fire with Ukraine… which isn’t a NATO member… which Putin invaded ostensibly to prevent it from joining NATO. right…

    sure, I think we can do that. no Western troops, no problem! we’ll just give them each a few dozen hydrogen bombs, and call it even.

    • Silic0n_Alph4@lemmy.worldEnglish
      17·
      2 days ago

      A few dozen hydrogen bombs each? Sir, this is Europe! We won’t have such uncivilised weapons that could be used for discriminatory purposes in our beautiful continent.

      No, the only solution is for every country in the EU, NATO, or bordering Russia to be equipped with a Project Sundial device. It’s the only way to preserve European unity.