The behind the bastards episode will teach you a lot about this piece of shit. Wozniak is the genius, this is just another predatory businessman. Good riddance.
Yknow, while I 90% agree with you there seems to be some element between the technical genius (Wozniak) and the idiot businessman that is Tim Apple.
Jobs may have been a piece of shit but there’s something to be said for the uncompromising non-technical focus on UX that allowed Jobs to make the iPhone a success.
And when he got cast out of Apple, his drive created NeXT, which then became MacOS X. Still, good riddance.
Sure Wozniak invented the Apple I and II. But if he never met Jobs his inventions would have stayed a hobby and Apple would have never existed. Woz also didn’t push for an OS with a GUI (which was revolutionary back then) that was Jobs’ idea. Not to mention that Woz had nothing to do with Apple’s comeback. He has been an honorary employee since Jobs was fired. Woz is a genius but people give him way too much credit just like they do with Jobs.
“Invent” is the wrong term, it’s “design”.
a new idea is an invention, the implementation is a design.
Wow, they made 4 episodes about him, each over an hour long.
Haven’t listened to Behind The Bastards but will give this one a listen.
If you like that they’re all pretty solid, but I recommend you check out the MKULTRA episodes. I thought I knew about it, I didn’t know the half of it. I didn’t even know about the one way mirror masturbatorium.
Still remeber an interview to Buffet in his time when he used to hang with Bill Gates.
It surprised me he considered Gates a talented investor, like he shouldn’t supposed to be. I mean Warren, Bill is an investor as much as you are. Even Buffet was confused from the “tech nerd” aura of Bill.
Same with Jobs, Musk and so on. They’re just good investors (and usually despicable persons).
Im sure the iPod was Wozniaks idea.
Not to mention the actual pioneer of generic-text languages, the inventor of the compiler, Grace Hopper.
She was on Letterman. https://youtu.be/oE2uls6iIEU
well one is good at selling stuff including himself
My crusading teenage ass posted this in 2011 on social media. Nobody cared lol
Fact of the matter is way more people know who Steve Jobs is compared to Dennis Ritchie, so it’s no wonder his death garnered way more attention too. But the sentiment still stands IMO
I highly doubt the consequences of Dennis Richie not existing. Yes, his work was foundational, but he didn’t do it on his own, and if he wasn’t around, someone else would’ve filled in.
The same is true for Steve Jobs. In fact, most of his contribution was being a jerk to people so his ideas won. He had a clear vision, but his internal implementation was… iffy.
He tried to fight P.C. with apples.
Jesus Christ. That is fucking poetry.
I mean, fucking up is a common thing people do and is an integral part of the human condition. What should be emphasized about Jobs case is that he fucked up his own liver, learned the cause and treatments, used his wealth to cut in the waiting line to get a liver transplant, and then fucked his second liver just the same way. This is the definition of terminally stupid, and no UX focus will ever change that.
How did he fuck up his liver? Do you mean that he was doing something that caused him to develop that tumor?
Jobs ate only fruit. That is a lot of sugar. Your liver doesn’t like that.
Iirc, what we normally call “sugar” is sucrose, made up of glucose and fructose. Glucose is used all over the place and too much is definitely bad (ask diabetics), while fructose is processed in your liver. Like a poison.
Just trying to remember that from stuff I’ve seen from Robert Lustig MD. There’s a very old “sugar: the bitter truth” lecture of his on YouTube, plus lots of media since then.
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Too much glucose is a great way to get diabetes.
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Not the commenter but as a type 1 diabetic yeah you’re right, but when most say diabetes they mean type 2, which is the kind where you eat unhealthy and don’t exercise where type 1 is when your immune system just doesn’t like your pancreas
I was going somewhere with this but completely lost my train of thought
Forgot about that. I too am deeply irresponsible with my liver, but I would never ask for a second one. That’s an entire human organ!
Jobs paved the way for Musk. I hate that he’s so often cited as a genius to look up to in the tech world
People mistaking Marketing people for tech genies happens to often.
I find it really amusing to know Bill Gates ones made fun of him:
“Steve’s achievements are all the more impressive when you know that he couldn’t look at a piece of code and know what it was.”
However he also said:
“Clearly, he had so many skills that I didn’t, but we were both a little bit pied pipers in terms of getting people to work ridiculous hours.”
Which really should tell you everything you need to know given who made the money and how many people were made to work “ridiculous hours”.
The behind the bastards episodes on Jobs was really eye-opening to just how awful of a leader he was
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Which is one of the reasons I’m giving up on working in tech despite having a PhD from my home country in Telecommunications. I have skills and could learn the ones I lack but I just don’t have the mindset and attitude and don’t feel like developing them. I’d rather code my own projects in my own way while remaining underemployed.
Being rich makes you so divorced from consequences that you start to believe that what is in your brain is what is real. Money isn’t what we think it is.
Money is like radioactive material. Having a little bit in your house probably is fine but having a mountain of it will make you hole up in a Las Vegas hotel with tissue boxes for shoes
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Or even better, you can buy yourself a pet president.
These words resonate so hard with me that my head is ringing like a bell right now. “Money isn’t what we think it is.” ^5, you.
Also bought his way up the organ donor list even after he took so long ignoring it, passing over a bunch of people who should have had claim to it and some who died instead, all just so he could die anyway because he took too long to get treatment. Failed so hard multiple people died.
Source on this? I read that Tim Apple offered a donation and Steve refused. I have not read that he had the surgery.
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He did get a transplant, in TN. Not in CA where he lived. He used his wealth to add himself to a areas with more donors and fewer on the wait list because he could hop on a jet unlike normal plebians.
That doesn’t describe jumping a line, it just describes waiting in more lines. Is that all there was to it?
At the surface level, but there’s more to it than that. Transplants don’t work by taking a number and waiting, they assess the person’s current condition as well. Since he waited and tried to cure cancer with fruit he fucked his liver and basically got to skip the line in another state. This was only possible because he had the transportation necessary. It’s not an option you or I could use and say, just book a flight.
That also means that someone in a slightly better condition (But mind you, still needing a new liver) would have been passed over in their own state.
I would argue it does, because he used his wealth to get a liver before he should have. Just because he has the means to be on the donor list in Bumblefuck, Egypt doesn’t mean he’s not jumping the line and taking an organ from someone who should have gotten it.
However you slice it, he used his wealth to steal a liver from a much more deserving recipient. He never should have been given the liver given how he destroyed his own, and it’s a shame he was able to buy a new one to destroy the same fucking way.
We need to stop defending this sort of behavior.
Is that all there was to it?
We need to stop defending this sort of behavior.
I wasn’t.
Only fanboys. The same kind that worship Musk or any other fellated-by-the-press CEO as some kind of hero. They softball any criticisms and turn them into positives - “He murdered a bunch of kids, but the creativity he got from the blood splatter and time spent in court-ordered community service got us this addictive device we’re all fawning over…let’s justify the ridiculous price and wait in line for one!” Something about objectively shitty people heading up organizations seems to attract sycophants and bootlickers.
Only fanboys.
Oh I wish. It’s more like 2/3 of American society, and I’m sure plenty of others around the world. But if you wanted to cast a wide net and call them fanboys of the rich, I guess that’s fair.
If you are worth billions, and even moreso if you are a business leader and therefore “earned” those billions, then “worship” is the right word. They are not just good people, but the greatest among us who should be put in charge of everything. (Enter our new emperor)
Imagine how insufferable he would be today.
Couldn’t be worse than Muskrat.
I shudder thinking about the bullshit these two would spill being together on Joe Rogan.
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They would have to explain to Joe what a “shower” is and why people do it.
Back on the old site on one of those text based subreddits there was a question posted:
Would you rather have free WiFi wherever you go, or any apple product you wish at any time.
My (then unrotted) brain was like: mmh WiFi everywhere is good, but apple cake, apple pie, apple sauce, apple spritz, apple cider, apple strudel, dried apples… Yeah I’m going with apple products
Wifi might become obsolete some time in the future, but apple pie is eternal.
Until Jimbo fucks it.
Before he died, he did say it was one of his biggest regrets.
“one of”, not “the”? Now I’m wondering what could someone like him regret more than the choice that literally killed him?
“Sometimes, late at night, when I can’t sleep, and it’s just me, alone with my thoughts… I just… I can’t help but feel… I should’ve called it Pear.”
That universe already exists in iCarly
Maybe his tumultuous relationship with his daughter Lisa
His #1 regret was not being a bigger douchebag which according to many experts was already an impossible feat.
The only way you could have been a bigger asshole is if he were still alive today to be kissing Trump’s arse, because he 100% would have been doing so.
“This is like, top five worst things in my life. Easily.”
I never like to let people forget the raw fruit diet comes from a cult that believes people from Venus told us that’s the key to eternal life
So they went ahead and picked the least habitable planet in our entire solar system to harbor a civilization? They should have said Europa, at least then it would have been moderately believable.
That’s just how good fruit is for you, you can even live on Venus no problem
I mean, according to them, they have transcended the need for physical bodies (presumably because they ate only raw fruit and shit themselves out of existence)
Tell me more!
let me refer you to my good friend Valiant Thor (yes that’s his name) who is a real bona-fide Venusian alien who is definitely a great person to give you health advice.
Fruit is really good for you! I try to eat a lot every day. It could help prevent illness. Won’t cure it though!
Seriously kiwis are so good and two big ones are only 100 calories. An entire pint of blueberries is only around 170, and they are both fantastic nutritionally. Eat other stuff too though, for sure.
Between fruit and beans, an entire family can turn it up
Steve jobs ain’t a genius. He was just a good salesman.
The sales people almost always end up doing well in companies. And then when they get high up in the company they only value others ability to make sales and work for bonuses. As time goes on a company’s e-suite gets more and more saturated with charismatic dummies who will do anything for a buck, leaving less room for good administrators and engineers.
Small thing, but I’ve never heard it called an e-suite, only c-suite. I assume the “e” stands for executive vs the “c” being chief.
I was reading an interesting article the other day about how after World War II people were obviously opposed to populism, and by the '80s and certainly the '90s people that were born after the war had lost the awareness of the danger that hero worship creates.
At the same time, many organizations including government organizations had failed to update themselves over the years, so people romanticized the idea of someone walking in and magically making the correct snap judgments that would remedy the situation. This was so pervasive in the business world I think in part because it allowed corporate executives to justify f****** over ordinary employees. If the company makes or breaks because of one person at the top, who cares if you’re paying people minimum wage and they can’t even afford to pay for dental care or a car.
What amazed me is how long that vision of Steve Jobs stuck around. Even in recent years people have been praising him, but if you think of the value in his company, it’s mostly a load of s***. Those phones and computers are incredibly overpriced, and they have so many bad aspects, especially lock-in, which most people intuitively understand these days. And still we have Apple addicts.
I’m not an Apple fan, I never liked the way he dictated form and function and told everyone to fuck off about their feelings. Now that said, his leadership did bring some things to market that would not have grown organically, for better or for worse.
The competition had to contend with good phone battery life, unibody laptops with high DPI screens, and large touchpads with physical feedback. Left to their own devices, these companies would have just kept regurgitating/iterating the same cheap designs they had made for decades.
He wasn’t magic; if he had any superpower, it was attracting and retaining talent.
Jobs created toxic work environments. That’s nothing to envy. Nothing to replicate. But we’re in a capitalist society so fuck your feelings.
That’s nothing to envy.
I don’t think that word, or anything like it appeared in my statement.
Jobs created toxic work environments.
…and so did Linus Torvalds* — he’s certainly not the embodiment of capitalism. But I absolutely have a huge amount of respect for Torvalds, even if I don’t approve of his way of interpersonal/professional style.
(I used to run Arch btw [but I run Debian now].)
*He’s supposedly taken steps in the right direction here and has made improvements.
Pretty sure Apple just packaged shit other companies made with extraordinary marketing. Like the ipod circle everybody went nuts for they settled a lawsuit with creative because of patent infringement. I actually had a creative zen and loved it because it didn’t have Apple software trying to control my music library.
I think if they would have kept the original tactile wheel that spun they would have been fine. When they redid it into a touch sensitive ring they were screwed.
A lot of the design elements came out of Johnny Ive, honestly I never really liked most of their design elements. But they did try to bring some premium look and feel in a time when every laptop out there was just plastic trash.
This is the internet. You can say the word fucking.
Especially considering it’s what about 95% of all the websites are based on.
Your take feels incredibly aggressive. Most people do not want to tinker, they just want their tech to work… Regarding Steve Jobs, are you saying he did not steer Apple to a level of success and prosperity that 99% other companies dream of?
Your opinion of what is overpriced is just your opinion. Apples sales numbers says otherwise, they do not have a monopoly in any market they compete in.
Regarding Steve Jobs, are you saying he did not steer Apple to a level of success and prosperity that 99% other companies dream of?
Congratulations, you have defended ultra capitalism and the destruction of workers and competition for the personal profit of the shareholders.
Yes I’m an ultra capitalist because I recognize history? Good one bro
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Why is everyone so aggressive about history and facts? Please take your blind rage back to Reddit. This thread is about Steve Jobs, acting like he did not lead Apple to numerous successes is a bold face lie. You might not agree with his methods but that doesn’t mean he accomplished nothing.
Your example proves my point, the alternative, Google, is just as if not more evil than Apple… just because they allow third party stores and less lock-in does not mean their product is better. Each person can choose the product that suits their needs.
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Of course he did bad things, he’s human, every great person has said, you learn and grow from your failures.
Apple’s iOS was far more polished than Android in the beginning. Hell, Apple’s iTunes Store paired with its iPods revolutionized the cell phone with the iPhone.
The lock-in has both pros and cons. Do i think it’s hard to move off of Apple once you’re in it? No not really, again they don’t own a monopoly in anything. They just provide a very polished experience in what they do aka “it just works.”
The only thing you can’t really transfer is one-time Apple App Store purchases.
Is it easy to switch from Gmail? Yes, creating a new email is easy, do you get the same benefits leaving the market leader? Most likely not…
More like he was one person in a company and gets all the credit because society can’t fathom that anybody other than the leech on top has the impact they really do
I’d be far more interested in learning more about the other folks on the Macintosh team. They’re an amazing group of people who put a lot of care into something they believed in, Steve Jobs notwithstanding. What they did with what they had was amazing, and the fact that they got lost in Jobs’ spotlight is tragic.
