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    mortality rate of 3% for unvaccinated kids.

    gonna be a lot of depression-era grieving going on.

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    We are careening toward the “end-game” for the rampant anti-intellectualism, anti-science, anti-critical thinking mind virus that plagued this country for at least the past 80 years.

    This is what happens when you condition people for nearly a century, to get angry and defensive when someone who’s more versed on a subject tries to teach them something (or god forbid, correct them). It has become a kneejerk reaction for so many Americans (mostly conservatives). They are so insecure that they view any type of education as a direct insult to them or some stupid bullshit like that. Like deep down, they know how ignorant they are, but for some reason they’d prefer to stay that way, so anyone who challenges that (regardless of how pure the motive), is a “smug piece of shit talking down to them.”

    And instead of even retaining what the person said, let alone learning it, they become even more radicalized against… well, reality.

    I truly have no idea how something like this can ever be fixed at this level. We’re talking over 50 million people give or take tens of millions (unsure how many have regrets).

    And this is nation-ending shit.

    Edit: Slightly related, but something I just thought about… Imagine if we ever have a prion-based pandemic (if that’s possible?). That could straight up be the end of humankind. Prions are terrifying.

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      This is what happens when you construct a society around screwing everyone else over while preaching cooperation. People stop trusting everything

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        Yeah, the US government is so well known for “preaching cooperation”. What a fucking joke.

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          Politicians are always preaching “unity” while not acting united in the least.

          At the National Prayer Breakfast in Washington, Mr. Trump took a moment to speak of bipartisan comity. Just hours earlier, he torched the federal bureaucracy, the global order, the media and Democrats.

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      Prion based pandemic is entirely possible.

      I anticipate prions becoming a part of biological warfare in the coming years.

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        Maybe… Prions are a different beast altogether in terms of illness. Even the most terrifying forms take years to debilitate and kill you. I don’t think most countries want to wait that long to cripple an opponent, and definitely won’t want to unleash anything on a neighbor that will certainly come back at them. Right now the only thing that truly gets prions to be gone is incineration levels of heat.

        So I don’t think biological warfare is going to be on the table. Maybe terrorist type attacks, where the asymmetrical nature of the opponents makes the user unconcerned about potential effects on themself.

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          I’d say the most likely path to prion outbreak would be lack of food regulation. Thousands of people could get sick/ die from contaminated ground meat, and without FDA functioning, it will be too late to prevent it.

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        Prions unlikely, they don’t possess the infectious nature of pathogens… additionally it’s a pretty rare disease, because animals showing signs of prions are usually eradicated and burned. Also humans can carry inheritable forms, which is even rarer than cow prions.

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      Well said, extremely on point. I’m just curious about your view on the timeframe - you’d say this started in the 40s or earlier? In my mind it was more around the 60s, together with the rise of neoliberalism

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        American religious anti-intellectualism as we know it really started with the rise of evangelism and fundamentalism in the 1890s-1900s. But it goes in phases: Pentecostalism emerges in the 1900s, fundamentalism and the rejection of modernity and science in the 1930s, anti-liberalism and various “youth” movements in the 1950s, television ministries and mega churches in the 1970s, religious political conservatism in the 1980s and 1990s, and the rise of the non-denominational “bible follower” churches in the 2000s.

        But America also experienced several “awakenings” in the 1800s, which gave rise to all sorts of new flavors of spiritualism and Christianity ranging from Mormons to abolitionists. And there’s the rise of the (literal) Salvation Army in the US in the 1880s (but we really have the UK to thank for them).

        It’s been incubating here for a long, long time.

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          It was a death sign once they allowed intelligent design as a legitimate argument in schools

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        To be honest, I just threw a number out there without bothering to do the math… I guess I was thinking post-WW2, but yeah it could have been slightly later.

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      Additionally people become bitter w.and conservative once they get a degree and never ended up in their field( they should know better), this is probably a small group but it does track. A lot of people love to choose majors like psych without researching you need a PsyD at the most to have a career

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        Hey, asshole, quit talking about me like I’m not here!

        /cries_silently_in_B.S._/_Graduate_degree_ratios_in_psychology

        spoiler

        For those who aren’t aware, the last time I checked (hoo boy, this is getting close to two decades ago now… fuck me) approximately 1 in 18 college students graduate with a degree in psychology. That’s freaking 6% of the college graduates! Kind of understandable when the bachelor version of psychology is essentially the degree of human interest. ‘Come find out how and why humans are funny/stupid/doing X/interesting’ is a powerful lure when you’re surveying a bunch of different classes and don’t have a degree/career in mind yet.

        Meanwhile, it’s harder to get into psychology doctorate programs than medical school. When I was looking into it, I think it was somewhere in the ballpark of ~5-10% of applicants to doctoral programs would get accepted. It looks like recently it’s sitting at 12%. Meanwhile, medical schools are around 44.5% right now.

        Now, yes, I could show the higher acceptance rates to masters programs for psychology listed in that APA link, but that gets messier and needs more nuance than the bare bones I wanted to throw up there.

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        Huh? Yeah, sorry, not gonna get on board with your bizarre misunderstanding of very important fields.

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          It’s not a misunderstanding. It’s well known that it’s easier to get relevant jobs in certain science fields than others.

          Psychology is one of the hardest science fields to get a job in, and it’s also one of the most popular undergraduate majors. Put the 2 together and the end result is that the vast majority of psychology majors end up being unable to find a job in psychology.

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        I didn’t know what it meant and had to look it up, and for anyone else wondering:

        Bovine spongiform encephalopathy (BSE), commonly known as mad cow disease, is an incurable and invariably fatal neurodegenerative disease of cattle. Symptoms include abnormal behavior, trouble walking, and weight loss. Later in the course of the disease, the cow becomes unable to function normally.

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          Correct. And it can transfer to humans, where it is then known as Creutzfeldt-Jakob, with the same results. One of those medical topics that make me really shudder when thinking about it.

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        True, forgot about Cruetzfeldt-Jacob.

        Also, think that one in Africa that happened because the natives in the area had a tradition of eating the brains of their dead loved ones, was also a prion. I want to say Kuru? Koru?

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          Was that really Africa? I am not sure, it could have been Indian or Pacific Ocean islands. But I could be mistaken here.

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    Measles parties is the stupidest thing I heard. It is not chickenpox (although even chickenpox instead of vaccine causes risk of having shingles once you get older), it can cause serious health issues and even death.

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      The chickenpox vaccine is relatively recent, and chickenpox parties were a good way to inoculate children who get only mild symptoms and very little danger from the disease compared to adults.

      Nowadays, vaccines are 100% the best defense.

      Measles is so much worse and it has never been a good idea to purposely subject yourself to that.

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        Yep, the vaccine is recent enough that if you were born in the 90s or before, the vaccine wasn’t available when you were of the right age to get it. I didn’t even know we had a vaccine until probably 5 years ago.

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          Same, I only found out through the shingles sub I regularly visit, because I had shingles before 20

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        Was still pretty dumb, because now they have shingles for the rest of their lives. Just laying in wait for the right moment to strike lol

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          Well, the thing is that if you get chickenpox was older person it is much more serious, and there is shingles vaccine too.

          I’m actually fine that my parents did it, it seems like there’s upper age for the vaccine so I wouldn’t be eligible, so it was either that or trying to be lucky and not catching it while being older.

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            There was not a shingles vaccine back when “chicken pox parties” were a thing

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              You’re right, what I mean it is now available and I can (and did) take it, so hopefully I won’t have that problem.

              Interestingly my brother got shingles in his 30s, but with covid became antivaxer and doesn’t think he can get it again (he can).

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            Chpx vaccine only came out in 1995. Anyone before that had the virus already.

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        I know, that’s what my parents did and I needed shingles vaccine.

        I’m happy the vaccine is available for my kids and they don’t have to worry about shingles when they are older.

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          The shingles vaccine for adults originally using a larger dose of the attenuated virus of the childhood vax. But now they have a new one that doesn’t use the virus at all, it’s called shingrx. It’s not advisable to get shingrx or the original shingles vax if your under 50

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            I got it earlier, because of immuno suppressing medication I’m taking, also my brother got shingles in his 30s and as far as I know he doesn’t have problems (at least diagnosed) with immune system or takes such medication. That kind of scared me to ask doctor about it.

            I couldn’t find exactly why it is approved 50+ except that’s what FDA tested it for and that shingles is more common (but it doesn’t mean you can’t get it earlier) after that age.

            From my own experience shingles vaccine side effects are worst from all the vaccine I had so far. My side effect was that after second dose I had problem with keeping balance for 3 days or so, which scared the shit of me.

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              yea i heard people got a really bad immune reaciton from the vaccine when they get it younger than what fda reccommended, basically it caused damaged near his testes.(funny thing is both the actual infection, chickenpox, measles mmr can do the same thing)

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        Yea I distinctly remember getting an Aveeno bath for it, and families were also having their other children around each other with chickenpox.

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        Removed by mod

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        Sorry, was this meant to a different comment? I don’t like the move Hegseth did, but I’m confused how this relates to measles.

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          That anti-vax rhetoric and “measles party” rhetoric are so unbelievably bad, I think it’s psyops put forth by foreign governments meant to kill Americans deliberately. And with Hegseth removing large portions of cybersecurity, it’s only going to get worse.

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            Yes you are right. The covid pandemic was also masterfully used to spread other conspiracies (that’s how my family members got infected with the propaganda), and that it caused many Americans to die was a bonus to them.

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      I’m just gonna say, I got lucky with where my shingles hit and it suuucked. It was just my side. I have a friend who got out across their face. I got very lucky.

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        Neck for me. They got the paperwork ready to see an eye specialist if there’s any sign that it might reach my eyes. Luckily didn’t.

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    And when the Great Corruption has settled over the land, and permeated the very foundations of reality itself, then shall the Lord of All rise from the rot and ruin, spread his arms wide to reclaim all his children.

    May Grandpa nurgle bless everyone of them

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    It’ll continue to spread, as well. Last Friday, someone with contagious measles spent hours touring 2 Texas campuses, hours in college bars and restaurants, and hours in crowded tourist attractions. Next Friday, one of those colleges starts spring break - and it takes 2 weeks for the rash to start showing up. Some of those college students will have caught measles and will go on spring break, where they’ll spread measles to other spring breakers. Three weeks from now, there’ll be outbreaks in every state in the Union.

    If you weren’t vaxxed, you were under-vaxxed, not sure if you got vaxxed, or think the vax might not have taken, now it’s an excellent time to get vaxxed.

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      It depends on how badly we’ve fallen under herd immunity, but it does seem likely.

      You can catch measles by entering a room, such as a classroom, where another student had measles two hours before.

      Unvaccinated people are going to pay for the ignorance of their parents real soon.

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        Unvaccinated, immunocompromised and babies under 2 years old are at risk. Vaccination is a collective effort to protect the most vulnerable.

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          People born after 1957 and vaxxed before 1967 (vax was less effective), people who only got a single shot until the mid-70’s (accidentally under-vaxxed), immune compromised/suppressed …

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        Herd immunity for measles is 95% vaccination if I recall correctly.

        Google says rates are falling, and we’re at 92.7%

        The sad thing is that the electively unvaxxed people are probably going to be fine. Measles sucks, but most people get through it without any issues. The people who are unable to get the vaccine because of medical conditions… It’s basically a death sentence for them.

        Plus, elective antivax is dumb. Those people get rabies shots when they get bit by an animal, because they know that the vaccines work, they just like to deny it when the disease isn’t extremely fatal to them.

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      It’ll continue to spread, as well. Last Friday, someone with contagious measles spent hours touring 2 Texas campuses, hours in college bars and restaurants, and hours in crowded tourist attractions.

      If accurate, this person belongs in fucking prison

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    Measles can cause immune amnesia, meaning your immune system forgets past illnesses and will have to go through initial sicknesses again.

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      Yup. It’s why so many died, not from measles, but from other diseases in the 3-5 years after they had measles. IIRC they only really worked this out in the last 5-10 years because of the amount of data to comb through.

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        Chickenpox, mmr viruses is deadly to adults. Ever seen a adult get chickenpox, the poxes actually hurt more than it itches

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          I caught mumps at around 30, during one outbreak thanks to the proliferation of antivax garbage. Only about half of kids in some London boroughs were fully vaccinated, centered around a couple of the wealthiest areas–and that was nearly 20 years ago. (Meanwhile, I was indeed fully vaccinated as a kid. It’s not foolproof, and especially not forever.)

          Thankfully recovered just fine without complications, but that really was NOT much fun. Adults are pretty much guaranteed to get sicker, even if they’re otherwise fairly young and healthy–and lucky enough to avoid any of the serious complications which are likelier to occur.

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        95% coverage for life and even if you get it, it would likely be very mild. Pre-1989 is 93% coverage IIRC.

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      Saw a headline that the MMR vaccine may be reduced in effectiveness after 40-ish years. It’s all breaking news since people being so backwards as to not be vaccinated in numbers to allow this kind of study to even materialize in a world that has a proven cure is certainly recent.

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        I got an MMR vaccine at 40 for a job, and only had to because my records from small town Canada weren’t available from my childhood vaccinations.

        Crazy to me that it might actually matter.

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          I know I had at least one shot as a baby/child/whenever it was appropriate in the 70’s. Then the Air Force gave me the MMR vax before deploying in the '00s just for good measure. Much appreciated now.

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      You can ask to have your titers checked. I did mine about 5 years ago when it first started being reported that dipshits were doing their best to bring back measles and I was still well in the immune range but I’m glad I had it done. I had to tell my doctor I was traveling internationally to a country with lower vax rates (I was) to get him to agree, but I’d imagine doctors would be happy to check now.

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      If you were born before 1989 then you may have only been vaccinated a single time; a second dose takes the vaccine effectiveness from 93% to 97%.

      So if you’ve don’t have access to your childhood vaccine records, then as other have suggested asking you doctor to run titers for measles is the best way to protect yourself.

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      Depends the year you were born and where, of you had the latest vaccine and with 2 doses then it supposed to provide 97% protection. Though it all really depends how is your immune system. If you have immune condition you might need a booster.

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    What the fuck is it that makes these people turn into lemmings as soon as Trump is in office?

    And yes, I know Disney staged the whole lemmings jumping off a cliff thing, but the analogy stands, so don’t fuckin’ @ me.

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      theres a subreddit called hermain cain, i think that started to include this measles epidemic.

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        Carlin said it best:

        “If your prelife, you’re fine. If you’re preschool, you’re fucked!”

        And:

        “Conservatives like live babies because they grow up to be dead soldiers.”