• VinnyDaCat@lemmy.world
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    Onion aside, what bothers me is that it is in the interest of many key party members to take a more aggressive stance. Trump and the GOP have vilified individuals like Pelosi.

    When the majority of average Americans start feeling the shock from the changes that are being made Trump is going to want a scapegoat. No one is better suited for this purpose than key party members that he has been brainwashing people to believe are literal devil spawn. He has even threatened to execute certain people. Unless you have an escape plan(wouldn’t be surprised if some do), surely you must realize that this is an eventuality?

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      Nancy Pelosi, the most successful stock trader ever? Oh wait, I forget she’s a congressperson. Why should she care? You really think she’s on our side?

      I’m so sick of all this “they(GOP) did this to us” language. The DNC is just as complicit in this as the GOP. It’s not about red vs blue or any of that bullshit. It’s haves vs havenots. It’s the rich vs the rest of us. It’s “get mine at the expense of anyone else”.

      It’s simple: either they don’t want to stop this or they are powerless to do so. Either way they’re useless. Fuck the Democratic Party. A true left party needs to replace it.

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      Would we be shocked if Trump made an EO that reduced Congress to an advisory role? Would our leaders do anything at that point? SCOTUS and Congress will advise the Executive branch only. Whatcha gonna do about that, Schumer and Thune?

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      sure. I dont think that should bother you. Lets take Schumer as an example. Read his wikipedia page and look at his “accomplishments” over an entire career. He’s never stood up and pushed hard for a single thing his whole life. He’s never led a charge. Is he not worthy of being pilloried as an impediment to progress? And Pelosi, she has fought AOC and Talib much harder than she ever fought republicans. She’s grown very rich on insider trading, and fought hard against the imposition of ethics in that regard. Is that true or is it not?

      Both championed war crimes, along with Biden. True or not?

      These people were always opportunists taking advantage of us. That the republicians also hate them is coincidental, not an applicable defense of how awful they have been in failing to lead the party over time.

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        Allow our enemies to purge the weak from amongst our leaders. The strong will survive, and the tribe will grow stronger.

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    This is a more viable action from them than the usual roll over and get fucjed

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    Jeezus, they need to only have people under the age of 50 to revitalize any messaging. An anthem from a washed up pop star celeb is not going to do shit. Celebs are a turn off. The election not 3 months ago proved that.

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        The conservatives just gave a master class on what you can do if you want to take power. Democrats could do the same things conservatives did and not lie and they would still be able to retake the government.

        Instead, they’re throwing pity parties. And why not? It’s not like they’re going to be loaded up on the train. They got enough money to live comfortably, even in fascist America.

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        Democrats are currently holding meetings crying about the pressure they’re getting from their constituents. If those spineless pieces of shit are who you’re expecting to turn this shit storm around, you’re going to get smacked in the face with reality really fast.

        What are democrats doing now? Nothing? Oh, and you think I should support that?

        Your bullshit “SUPPORT THE DEMS NO MATTER WHAT” is the exact reason we are where we are today.

        • Eugene V. Debs' Ghost@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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          “No if you don’t like that people with power and money aren’t stopping Trump, you clearly support trump!”

          I fucking hate the one dimensional thinking liberals brainwashed themselves into.

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        I mean if the Dems can’t even try to resist then they are guilty by association. They have just rolled over. Look at how well the Republicans did against Clinton or Obama when they were the minority. The Dems share the blame here.

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            And we can be mad at them for not doing their jobs while Trump and Musk use the American constitution to wipe their asses. They had the presidency and the majority, got us nothing but status quo, and now are doing jack shit to stop a Fascist takeover.

      • Eugene V. Debs' Ghost@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        So what’s the people with actual power we voted into office to stop Trump doing?

        It certainly isn’t even voting no on his choices. They aren’t protesting in the streets. They aren’t hauling the construction of labor camps.

        A literal king is being put into place they just sit on their hands going “We need just $5 from you today to stop this!”

      • Bloomcole@lemmy.world
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        Dems are still blaming 3rd party voters that turned away from their tone-deaf genocide party.

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            Turned out great up to now.
            Turns out the evil orange man isn’t ‘genociding the Palestinians even harder’.
            The moronic reasoning these selfrightious libs tried to use as an incentive for voting for the other side of the uniparty.
            They are only upset out of selfish reasons now it affects them too, not the rest of the world that would be droned and exploited just the same by a dem POS president. That country can go to hell and I’m enjoying it tremendously.

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                I am real fun and loved by all. None of my friends like the imperialist US (or their genocider friends Isntreal) either.
                A, I really don’t give a shit about what the echo chambers feelies are or how petty you are about a little arrow and a number.
                For as long as the regime doesn’t censor me for an unwanted opinion like the big socials do (how free and sooo western values!) I will continue to call all the POS out for what they are.
                And then watch them cope and seethe when they invariably lose an argument and they have to resort to insults out of impotence and frustration.
                That’s what I love seeing.
                All the collaborators and bootlickers crying.
                Quickly go run to the mods! A dissenter is going against the only approved narrative, make it go away!

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    Genuinely curious what people want the Democrats to specifically do right now, apart from vague calls of “something” and “more” and “better.” At least on a federal level, aren’t they pretty much powerless at this point? What even can they do?

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      • Vote no on everything like Republicans did when Obama/Biden tried good things
      • Filibuster every bill like Republicans
      • Give motivated members of Congress more power, like AOC
      • Retire the old blood of the DNC and have people with ideas from after 1982 enter office (my state allows office vacancies to be filled by appointment until election)
      • Listen to the Americans who voted for you to stop Trump and stop whining about that in private meetings
      • Stop voting yes on anything Trump wants
      • Don’t ratfuck young faces because they are running in seats with old people
      • Don’t say everything is okay and normal despite the fact it’s clearly not, it didn’t work both times they ran on it as a platform
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        All great ideas. Have you mentioned them to the Democrats? They are depressingly poll-driven, but it’s probably worth directly reaching out. My local congress people are probably sick of my shit by now, but if so – good.

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      What the Repugs do whenever they’re in the minority: complain loudly and publicly, and obstruct absolutely goddamned everything.

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      1. Figure out what they stand for, stated in two sentences. (From that old chestnut that says that you don’t understand a thing if you can’t explain it in two sentences, or less.)

      2. Learn from the experts (PR people, psychologists, neuroscientists, screenwriters, etc.) how to state it in ways that resonate with people.

      3. Then, do it. Convince all of us that they care, and are trying. Build coalitions around the message, and strengthen civil society.

      The greatest damage from this administration’s lawlessness does not come from tearing down government agencies, it’s the corrosive effect of hopelessness in the minds and hearts of the citizens as we look around and feel like we’re alone, and that nobody else actually cares about our laws, traditions, and principles.

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      My interpretation: the right is broadly successful because they are presenting a compelling narrative to explain the problems in America. It’s “elites” in business, government (deep state), and schools that are pushing an unamerican agenda of “wokeness”, using immigrants to gain power, and indoctrinating through schools and universities. This is enough to get people to vote right because at least the right is doing something to address their concerns.

      What the Democrats need to do, is present a more compelling narrative. They can’t just be the “non-maga” party. They have to actually address people’s concerns about economic insecurity and present a vision for the future. I remain convinced that the first president that runs on economic populism will sweep an election.

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        Yeah, I remember in 2016 when the Hillary campaign’s response to “Make America Great Again” was “America is Already Great” and man did that go over like a lead balloon. Democrats fucking love to pretend everything is okay.

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          And then Harris did the same and wondered why she lost.

          “Everything is okay! Sure you can’t afford food, rent, housing, the government spends more on wars than social services, but I might give those with millions a few hundred thousand to buy a house! And I’ll appoint a Republican to my cabinet!”

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      I mean, I’m not an expert by any means but haven’t the republicans been able to very efficiently stifle democrat majorities before? If they just follow that playbook (delaying things, being pains in the ass, constant insistence on funky rules) they can at least annoy the shit out of them and hopefully slow things down. They’re way too polite for that tho, they’d rather just let it happen and hope they come out okay in the end then to risk the wrath of the annoying orange and his minions.

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        One thing they could do is stop voting with republicans to confirm Trump’s appointees. Have you seen. how well the Republicans obstruct? They can get everybody in their rank and file out on network TV to call for banning a book by title while the democrats can’t even get their best faces on TV to call what’s happening with NY’s mayor blatant quid pro quo corruption

        EDIT: Trump energy chief says there are upsides to ecological collapse

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          agreed. that’s literally their job. oppose the other party by whatever means at their disposal. use the press, support union actions, so many ideas. be bold be creative.

          they at least should stop pretending that “playing by the rules” and “trusting the system” is an appropriate response to illegal orders, illegal firings, violations of constitutional doctrine, and open defiance of judicial and legislative oversight. relevant video from InnuendoStudio, sadly aged like wine

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          Only if the appointees are bad (which, since it’s Trump and “stuff up the deep state” project 2025, there’s probably a lot of bad appointees). If we obstruct appointees that are good, we’ll just keep seeing the pendulum swinging when a new party comes into power.

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      Not lining up to bend over for republicans would be nice a nice start. Even a quarter the obstructionism as the republican party has put forth when Democrats are in charge would be appreciated.

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        Certainly, but like – what specifically? If you could pick one specific thing they should do/have done, what would it be?

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      Speak up, speak loud and speak often. Be the leaders of the grassroots organization they pretend to represent.

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      The next real test will probably be the budget vote in the House. Post-Trump Republicans have historically been unable to pass budgets without democrat help, even when they had a majority, so one thing democrats can do is squeeze the GOP dry for concessions before helping them pass the next budget.

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        Agreed. Can anyone think of somebody the Progressive wing and the mega-donors can agree on?

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        Surely this will be an Onion link

        Oh, for fuck’s sake…

        Also, please don’t link to Xitter.

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    They’re preparing a stockpile of spears and chainmail so they can rule uncontested over whatever is left of America by the end of the year.

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    Considering what they’ve done so far… I’d say it’s an improvement.

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    Maybe the democrats need a media apparatus to propagandize people against whatever the republicans want to do 🙄

  • GooberEar@lemmy.wtf
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    I assume this is a new/newer song? I am not sure I’ve heard it, and if so, I certainly didn’t know it was Katy Perry’s “Roar”.

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      It came out in 2013, so no, not new at all. It was an incredibly popular song, with over a billion listens on Spotify.