Stop burning more fossil fuels as quickly as possible. The most important start is to stop adding more fossil fuel infrastructure like coal power plants.
So China should just eat the sacrifice entirely, or is the rest of the world going to join in? Because looking at this chart, it seems China is the only country actually attempting to address it.
Where in the world it is deployed doesn’t matter. It would still be US emissions.
You were saying it wasn’t an apples to apples comparison. How we correct the two sides of the equation shouldn’t really matter.
I’m going to need evidence that the our world in data plots don’t include the US military anyway.
The vast majority of global CO2 emissions are coal. I’m not aware of coal power being used much in the military.
In the next year or two China will take second place for total historic CO2 emissions, taking that place over from Europe. It’s emissions per capital overtook Europe several years ago and it has 6x the people. If the rest of the world hits zero tomorrow, Chinas emissions are still too high.
Yes, because global manufacturing increased, and many countries outsource their manufacturing to China. That doesn’t mean they get to outsource their part in the blame.
Would you like China to shut down outsourced manufacturing facilities? Is that the expectation?
The EU actually has a pretty good plan to deal with that. It is called CBAM, a carbon tariff for high energy goods imported by the EU. The tariff is as high as the carbon price, which would be paid in the EU minus the carbon price in the country exporting. So smart policy as it insentivises other countries to create their own carbon price.
Also in general it is best to blaim the entity, which has the easiest time to fix it. Countries pass their own laws and then enforce them. That is why we mainly look at production based emissions. In other words, if China can not produce its exports cleanly, then I expect them to shut down those factories.
Stop burning more fossil fuels as quickly as possible. The most important start is to stop adding more fossil fuel infrastructure like coal power plants.
So China should just eat the sacrifice entirely, or is the rest of the world going to join in? Because looking at this chart, it seems China is the only country actually attempting to address it.
Europe and US CO2 emissions are dropping. The charts are in the comments here. China’s are skyrocketing, as are India’s.
Only because the US & Europe consider their militaries to be exempt. The US military is one of the worst mass polluters in the planet.
You’re saying china woul also be going down if you also exempted their military?
Errrr, no!
I wasn’t implying the inverse. But no, China does not have the same massive military as the US, nor is it as spread across the globe.
In the next year or two China will take second place for total historic CO2 emissions, taking that place over from Europe. It’s emissions per capital overtook Europe several years ago and it has 6x the people. If the rest of the world hits zero tomorrow, Chinas emissions are still too high.
https://globalcarbonbudget.org/download/1479/?tmstv=1732802221
https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2023/12/12/elephant-in-the-room-the-us-militarys-devastating-carbon-footprint
This is the important graph from the Carbon budget presentation. The difference between USA and China is about 1.5 Billion tons of CO2.
That news story on the US military cites a report with this graph in it. The total emission of the whole DoD is 60 million tons of CO2.
It doesn’t make a dent.
In 2023 global emissions only grew due to China. They would have fallen by 54million tonnes of CO2, if you exclude China.
Yes, because global manufacturing increased, and many countries outsource their manufacturing to China. That doesn’t mean they get to outsource their part in the blame.
Would you like China to shut down outsourced manufacturing facilities? Is that the expectation?
The EU actually has a pretty good plan to deal with that. It is called CBAM, a carbon tariff for high energy goods imported by the EU. The tariff is as high as the carbon price, which would be paid in the EU minus the carbon price in the country exporting. So smart policy as it insentivises other countries to create their own carbon price.
Last COP China made it their prime objective to destroy the idea of such systems.
Also in general it is best to blaim the entity, which has the easiest time to fix it. Countries pass their own laws and then enforce them. That is why we mainly look at production based emissions. In other words, if China can not produce its exports cleanly, then I expect them to shut down those factories.
Carbon credits are a hoax created by the oil lobby. If markets could solve climate change, they would’ve already done so.