• counselwolf@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      maybe intentions behind the action rather than the perception of the action itself.

      An extreme example would be in the latest episode of My Adventures with Superman (great show, slight spoilers), Superman saves an invisible man from getting hit from a truck by stopping the truck and causing a traffic accident.

      The intention was to save a guy, the perception of the people was that he caused an accident for no reason (because the guy he saved was invisible).

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        Right, gotcha. I thought OP meant as personal traits, which didn’t make sense as I don’t see how someone’s abilities or skills to perceive the world can be compared to what they want to do.

        To answer, in your case, I’d say intention is more important

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            I also found the misunderstanding funny in context, however note there was a productive conversation out of it in which I managed to understand their intention.

            If intention had no importance I don’t think I would have bothered.

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      oh, it says in the sidebar the question has to be open ended so I didn’t think I could explain it further? I also kind of assumed it had to fit in the title only.

      But I meant socially. I often see rhetoric stating that its more important how people perceive what you’re saying, as opposed to how you intended to have it sound.

      The person who responded to you gave a great example too.

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        Questions have to be open ended in the sense that there’s room for people to individually have their own responses to leave and contribute to discussion. Basically, this isn’t a forum for questions that have a specific answer. Don’t ask how to change a tire or what temperature to cook pizza rolls at.

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        Ohh a totally different spin then, thoughts are not the same as actions. For me intention wins, however it falls flat it nobody can understand you. So I can see why the counterargument has weight.

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          Yeah, how I often see it described is that, even if you didn’t intend for something to sound bad - if someone else perceives it as bad, then you just messed up.

          I’ve seen this in a few different places online and it made me think but then I was at work and saw it mentioned in an anti-sexual harassment training video. That kind of made me realize this is like, the new ideology being pushed. At least where I am anyway.

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            I agree with you, I think it’s dangerously stupid to push that idea if you don’t also make an emphasis on trying to understand the other person. Empathy goes both ways, saying perception is the only thing that matters sounds like a cheap and selfish way to avoid a real conversation.

            It’s like when people don’t speak your language and accuse you of insulting them even though they have no idea - and worse yet no intention on their part- of ever finding out what you were saying.

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              Empathy goes both ways, saying perception is the only thing that matters sounds like a cheap and selfish way to avoid a real conversation

              Yes! It seemed very one sided to me. Especially after seeing it in a training video, where I get it and it made sense but I couldn’t help but think, doesn’t this mean someone can just misinterpret something and then run wild with that because that’s how they perceived it?

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                That does happen too… I guess it boils down to the common sense of those involved, more reasonable people would work out their differences whilst unbalanced ones not so much.

                You also have the extra complexity legal loopholes and cultural differences in a work environment so I can understand why a company would be pushing for interpretation/perception more than intention.

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        In such a scenario perception is important.

        If I say something that makes you sad, it doesn’t matter that I didn’t mean to make you sad, I still hurt you.