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“Centrist” aka “I’ll still vote for racist fascist misogynists instead of anyone else”. Fuck off!
P.S. And he thinks welfare is a problem like some blubbering Reganite reject.
Really, I think centrist normally just means totally uninformed. They’ve buried their head in the sand so they don’t realize what’s wrong.
Centrist means you’re too embarrassed to admit you’re a republican.
Lol you must be one of those vote blue no matter who types. You’re anyone else is always a dem isn’t it? And if someone votes anything else than blue or red, they’re throwing away their vote right?
You’re the one who is blinded by ideology.
The GOP in the US literally tried to overthrow the Constitution in 2020, and hasn’t said they won’t do it in 2024.
If the choice is between the Dems and some magical third party who is going to pop up out of nowhere, hell yes I’m voting Blue no matter who.
Yea… I’m the one that’s blinded, while you literally just said you will blindly vote blue.
The Left had four years to put Bernie on the ballot. I contributed to him myself. We’re heading into 2024 and the GOP’s top candidate is still Trump. Who is your alternative to Biden?
Bring us a rational Republican and we’d have a choice to make. As of now it’s democracy vs fascism. Easy choice
Go ahead and get froggy in 2024, FAFO if you must
Last ‘rational Republican’ candidate was Eisenhower, and he was considered too Left for Bill Buckley, who championed Reagan.
At this point, trump and biden should be disqualified for just their age. They’re dinosaurs, vote wise, Presidential voting doesn’t matter as much as local and state does. I’ve tried to vote independent as much as I can, and vote for someone that at least hits 50% of what I believe is needed. Dems do make the pass sometimes but other times I don’t feel comfortable voting for any candidates.
Also Bernie got Ron Pauled by the Dems. Dude should definitely been the one put up against trump
So, you can’t answer the one question that actually matters. Who, if not Biden?
Still have the same house and senate.
And if someone votes anything else than blue or red, they’re throwing away their vote right?
As long as the US election system is the way that it is, then yes it is an undisputed fact that voting for third party is the same as throwing your vote away. It is a shitty system and it is in desperate need for a change, but it doesn’t make it less true.
It’s worse than throwing your vote away. It’s a shadow vote for the most popular candidate who is most diametrically opposite from your views, in that it is taking a potential vote away from the most popular candidate who is closer than them. It’s letting perfect get in the way of better.
And I’ll continue to vote 3rd party. My conscious is clear. The system is broken but I’m not feeding into it. Red and blue teams are burning the US to the ground. Hell the tribalism for the blue team just in this post is insane.
You’re absolutely feeding into it, by depriving yourself entirely of a voice in elections. If you’re consistently voting 3rd party, that has exactly the same impact on who gets elected as dropping your ballots in the trash can instead of the ballot box.
In your quest for ideological purity, you’ve achieved irrelevancy.
Which is fine by me. I’d rather know I didn’t contribute to the mess everyone else is making.
That’s…
Okay, I’m not going to beat around the bush. That’s stupid, selfish, and morally repugnant. You’re hurting the most vulnerable among us so you can pretend to meet some lofty ideal of political purity.
I don’t have that luxury. You see, I have kids, and they have to grow up in whatever world we leave them. On top of that, my son is trans and my daughter is gay, so I have to vote pragmatically to protect their rights.
Realistically, you know the next president is going to be a Democrat or a Republican. Other party candidates have a 0% chance of winning. Out of those party choices, which ones are currently pushing horrifying lies about people like my kids? I can pick the party that would literally murder them if they could get away with it… Or I can pick the party that wouldn’t.
If I go your route, I’m silencing my ability to use my voice in the interests of my own children. Why would I do that?
And why would you?
No, i think its just willful ignorance. It helped get Trump elected 😂
This is why I stated you vote in local elections. They mean way more than on the presidential scale. And until the electoral college is removed. You’re vote means fuck all as well. It’s why Trump was elected in the first place.
Non-action is a form of action. You still contribute either way. It’s either with or without your consent.
My conscious is clear
Your conscience, and that’s just more proof you’re dumb.
O no autocorrect got me… totally makes me an idiot. Keep sucking that blue cock, it’s totally been great for everyone.
Sure, autocorrect.
I’m pretty sure this guy is not a Democrat just because he talks about diversity. I don’t know many anti-welfare Democrats who talk about fat welfare queens. That’s pretty antithetical to the sort of things the party wants and very on-point for Republicans.
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You must be one of those idiots that make baseless assumptions.
When did he say he votes republican? And I think his criticism of welfare is that it’s run inefficiently, not that it should be abolished
The distinguishing mark of so-called “conservatives” in the US is not, in fact, conservatism — that is, a desire to cherish and protect the good in their society.
Rather, it is betrayal.
They are not conservatives, but rather traitors — betrayers. They betray their faith, placing Trump ahead of Jesus. They betray their country, placing Putin ahead of Washington. They betray their species, placing oil companies ahead of humanity.
Conservatism can only be redeemed by embracing the actual good of our actual society. You can only conserve that which really exists. That includes the “melting pot” of multiculturalism.
It would be cool if they were all about conserving wildlife, natural features, forests, clean air, and clean water. Or the rights to vote and have privacy.
But no, they just want to conserve the power of a small group at the expense of everyone else.
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“wholesomely uneducated”. Walk me through that one please.
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Ah, I follow now.
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Dumb, but not on purpose.
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If you aren’t exposed to certain issues you may not know how serious they are, or even that they exist. I grew up in a small town in NC, and you would not believe the amount of genuinely good, compassionate, empathetic people that held really shitty beliefs because that’s what their parents and others they trusted tell them.
I had friends on snap benefits that would complain about “welfare queens” (read, young black mothers).
It’s important to realize that many of these people aren’t evil, they are a victim of their circumstance as much as anyone else. They were taught to be hateful, and while it’s not your responsibility to unteach them, if your decide to take that on, and they are open and willing to learn about how others struggle, and what they can do to help, you very quickly see that their naivete actually is pretty wholesome.
They were just lied to by the folks they should have been able to trust, and that cycle can go on for generations.
Hard to fit the wholesome part of the phrasing into that take but I guess I can see it.
Hopefully that message is “eat the rich” and not “starve the poor”.
I wouldn’t go holding my breath. He’s pretty clearly on the ignorant conservative train, he just happens to maybe be a little less racist than most of them.
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Good on you for recognizing that this man could have a good heart and be a possible ally. The 2016 era has made us jump to conclusions immediately and shun anyone who seems sympathetic to conservatives. I get that and fully understand it, I do the same.
But the problem is that doing so pushes people in the middle towards conservatives. We can say his welfare lyrics are unacceptable without making him into a total pariah. He holds a lot of similar beliefs to us, and I bet you could sway him over a beer. He’s not a stubborn and hateful conservative, he’s a misguided moderate. We only create more enemies by our own hand if we shun everyone.
I’m inclined to think that his comments on diversity here are indicative of him rejecting a conservative idol position.
Exactly this. My hard right coworker showed me this song because i complain regularly about modern conservative country, and how the old-schools of country (Cash, Hank senior, Woody Guthrie, etc) knew the struggle of the working man and would not be modern republicans. He made me listen to it thinking it was a gotcha “what do you think about this guy” and I listend a few times, read the lyrics, and my man has 2 bad lines in the song, based on the lyrics he’d be fighting for stronger social safety nets and equal rights for all after a single night in the bar with a lefty.
I don’t think he even needs the night in a bar, he’s already there. He’s a blue collar guy from West Virginia turned to Country-Folk music and his music…well…it’s the music of the American Proletariat.
He’s not the Conservatives Guy and never was, he just got thrust into the spotlight because DeSantis brought him up during the debates and that resulted in an unfortunate knee jerk reaction from Liberals looking for a reason to tear him down.
We can toss around terms like “problematic” regarding his one line about welfare but denying the authenticity of everything else is foolish, it genuinely resonates with the American Working Class.
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Doubt me?
Nobody’s denying the “authenticity” of the song. It’s that it betrays a basic lack of understanding of the US and its problems.
Like, he complains about high taxes. If he’s actually talking about working class / poor people, their taxes really aren’t very high. The US does have a progressive tax system and people near the bottom aren’t taxed that much. On the other hand, unlike most countries, the US also doesn’t have a good safety net to help the least fortunate out. Because of that, taxes might feel like an awful burden when you’re poor because you aren’t getting the benefits… and then he goes on to complain about welfare… the very benefits that poor people should demand.
He (himself fat, if not obese) complains about obesity, and links it to welfare (also taking pot-shots at short people for some reason). It’s not like people on welfare are eating so incredibly well that they become obese. It’s that when you’re poor, the system in the US makes it hard to eat nutritious food. First of all, processed food is relatively cheap, and it doesn’t go bad, so it’s a smart thing to buy if you’re on a budget and catch it on sale. If you buy fruit and vegetables, they might go bad before you can use them. Many poor people also live in food deserts, so getting to the store to buy fresh food is very hard. If you’re only working a 9-5 job and have a reasonable commute, and can easily get to a grocery store, you can afford the time to do meal planning and cook for yourself. If you’re doing unpredictable shift work, and have to get around using unpredictable and slow public transit, and getting to a grocery store is an hour-long detour, it’s hard to avoid unhealthy food because you can’t count on being home to cook regular meals. Finding inexpensive but healthy food out in public is very hard.
On the subject of welfare / food stamps and obesity, I read recently that people having their food stamp / SNAP funds stolen is very common because SNAP only uses a basic swipe card that’s easy to steal. Stealing people’s SNAP money is rarely investigated, and they don’t get their money back. For that reason, a lot of people on SNAP go to the store and spend all their SNAP money the moment they get it. If it’s all spent, it can’t be stolen. But, what can you buy that’s going to last you a month until your next payment? It isn’t fruits and veggies, it’s canned foods, processed foods, high-sugar foods, etc.
So, yeah, he’s “authentic”, but he’s also misinformed about the world. He’s blaming welfare / welfare recipients as much as he’s blaming the “rich men north of Richmond”, when problem B is much, much more of an issue than problem A.
If he’s actually talking about working class / poor people, their taxes really aren’t very high.
When you’re working 60 hour weeks at $20 an hour to gross $4,800 a month but your take home pay $3,300 it feels pretty high.
…and then he goes on to complain about welfare…
He complains about welfare abuse, not welfare itself. It’s a key distinction.
…complains about obesity
I don’t hear it that way at all.
You’re also skipping over all of the other messages in the lyrics to hyperfocus on the one you disagree with so that you can dismiss the whole thing. Where are you on the mental health crisis, corrupt politicians, and holding the lower class down? Because those messages are ALSO in there.
Based
If you listen to him talk in interviews it’s pretty clear he has empathy. Hopefully this starship to fame for him opens him up to different opinions/viewpoints.
News sites need to start using screenshots of tweets. That article is mostly empty space with some @s in it for me.
I just assumed my ad blocker was doing its job. Weird formatting, if not.
I feel that’s every internet article in today’s news dystopia. Clickbait headlong, taking you to a site that gives your device more cancer than a Gawker media site, where the actual tweet doesn’t even load.
or just the text of the tweet…we don’t need to drive any more focus/attention back to twitter.
That website is absolute cancer on a mobile device
I use an ad blocker and the empty space between information (presumably where ads should be) is hilariously large
Just use Firefox and ublock, friend.
The ads work pretty well. That’s the point right? The ads?
All these people know is hate.
They can only support “their own” for so long before they start directing their hate and rage at each other.
Cycles keep spinning.
They’d like him better if they knew he fucked an ostrich. Bunch of fuckin’ degens.
ALLEGEDLYS!
I heard it was a sick ostrich
"We are the melting pot of the world and that’s what makes us strong our diversity. And we need to learn to harness that and appreciate it and not use it as a political tool to keep everyone separate from it.”
Conservatives: No, that’s exactly the tool we’ve been talking about.
It’s saddening and hurtful that overt racism is accepted and trendy in The United States of America. I genuinely don’t understand how the most foundational core component of this country is lost on so many people. The US was founded to escape persecution and oppression (as it persecuted and oppressed the natives and later did the same with “imported labor”). Oh, yeah… I guess hypocrisy and contradiction is right there within the core too.
“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal”
But only the white ones who own property. The rest are scum who aren’t allowed to vote. And don’t even get me started on the non-whites. /s
This article is garbage, here’s “thing someone said” + random twitter comments about it. So one, it spreads the toxic original message of hate from rando idiot conservatives toward the idea of diversity and a melting pot. Then two, it makes us liberals broadly associate all conservatives with the hate message from rando twitter accounts. Imo this is garbage “journalism”. If prominent conservative thought leaders are commenting about something on twitter it could be newsworthy, but you probably know that it’s probably not when they include users such as “TriangleCyclops”, “DPZCrypto”, “BoxingMD1”, etc. Yep those 3-4 tweets must represent literally millions of people’s exact thoughts.
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Yes! Or he is just an industry plant.
They all are, and the industry cracked the country formula decades ago, they don’t need AI.
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At least you know who to avoid that way.
Do beards prevent leopards from eating your face?
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The funny thing is that “melting pot” is generally a conservative term, often used to deny the value of diversity.
No, it is not.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melting_pot
Now, the conservatives you know might say it with a sneer, but that’s a whole different question.
A melting pot is a monocultural metaphor for a heterogeneous society becoming more homogeneous, the different elements “melting together” with a common culture
Yes, as opposed to moving towards a diverse, multicultural, heterogeneous society, isn’t it?
“Melting pot” is a reduction of diversity.
Maybe I should correct my statement to “generally used by conservatives,” instead of saying it’s specifically a conservative term.
Finally a song that captures our thoughts and perspective and how we really feel!
(the song is complete fucking garbage)
