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  • I mean your ratios probably also work for social media right?

    Yep, they do. Which is why we are continually struggling with whether Social Media is a Platform or Publisher. The former doesn’t have content control while the latter does; which means that a Platform shouldn’t be liable for this while a Publisher should.

    I just don’t see how you can have it both ways as a ruling.

    You really can’t. If a Social Media company has content control then they can be held liable for the actions of their users. If they don’t have content control then they can’t be responsible for what their end users do and can’t be sued for it.

    We as a society need to pick an approach and run with it. As for me personally I don’t think Companies should generally be responsible for what end users do with their products. A companies responsibility ends after the money changes hands except in the case of product liability for defect or being unfit for purpose.

    An argument can be made for making Companies responsible for what is done with their products but we need to go into that with eyes wide open because it would have massive repercussions across all industries. Wait until Ford won’t sell someone a new car because they’ve had too many speeding tickets or accidents. Are we ready for that?






  • To call the regular use of a tool built and designed for killing people anything other than that, it rings a bit hollow for me.

    Be that as it may for 99% of firearms sold in the United States their “regular use” has nothing to do with killing people. That’s the best case argument too. If we looked at it another way there’s probably 500,000,000 firearms in the United States so the “killing people” part drops to something like .005%. So for between 99% and 99.995% of firearms their “regular uses” are completely and utterly benign.

    It can be tough to accept, especially when we’re seguing from firearms, but tools are often used for things other than what they were designed for and the Internet itself is a great example. It wasn’t meant for normal people but today most people have it in their pocket…which has lead directly to the struggles we are having with Social Media.

    Should companies like Meta and Reddit be responsible for the comments of their users? Perhaps but a ruling like that would have tremendous impacts, many of them strongly negative, for every Social Media company in the United States and that would almost certainly include Lemmy and its users.

    I’m not saying such a ruling would be completely wrong but down this road I see the end of anonymity on the Internet. Companies and website operators will seek to shield themselves from these kinds of lawsuits by doing identity verification so that if a problem users gets them sued they can in turn point the barrel of that legal canon at whomever(s) made the comments.




  • I mean if you WANT Social Media companies like Meta and Reddit enforcing content restrictions then sure, why not. Droves of people will argue that the 1st Amendment doesn’t apply to an individuals use of a commercial platform. In fact tens of millions of people, or even more, have been vehemently arguing exactly that going back to at least 2018.

    If by “2A Companies” you mean firearms manufacturers, well, the most common “regular uses” of their products are shooting targets and gathering dust. You’ll probably try and argue that but the math is pretty simple, ~17 Million are sold every year and less than 1% of them are involved in illegal activity. You are literally trying to take the 1% and somehow make it the norm.





  • or released to the public.

    They were publicly available, without credentials, if you knew how to get to them.

    Again, to use the luggage analogy,

    The luggage analogy sucks. A better analogy is someone taking a stack of paperwork and putting it behind a chair in a coffee shop. You can’t see the papers and don’t know they are there unless someone tells you about them. The papers aren’t intended for public consumption but they’re being stored in a publicly available space.

    He bypassed security in the system by exploiting flaws and accessing data he was not authorized to access.

    Why are you acting like I don’t agree with you on this? You can read my other comments in here and see that I do.

    He apparently accessed a system with credentials that he wasn’t authorized to use and that’s a crime. What may not be a crime is downloading the videos. If those were available to the public, no matter how obscured, without needing credentials to access them then they were in fact publicly available.

    It’s two separate actions and one is likely criminal while the other may not be.

    I don’t give a shit about Kanye and I addressed Burke in a previous comment.


  • Accross the continent, a huge number of guns recovered in crimes can be traced back to a gun store in America.

    Not fully automatic firearms. The very few for sale in the United States are old, expensive, Federally tracked, and not available in any real quantity.

    I love the accidental admission that you only want to know where it’s coming from because it can’t be bought in America…

    Yes, because the explanation being given by the article doesn’t match with the reality of firearms in the U.S.

    For instance that firearm in the first picture of the original article simply isn’t for sale at any shop in the United States. The only way you are buying it is with a special permit from the US Federal Government itself, the permit is only given to specific military and possibly some police organizations. The permit will only allow the purchase of a pre specified number of an exact model of firearm, and that purchase will be tracked (by serial number) from the time of manufacture through the sale process and delivery to the permitted organization.

    Once all that’s done the permitted organization cannot legally sell them, let alone export them, without a whole 'nother pile of paperwork that requires Federal approval.

    Be sure to tell us what you learn from them, so we know you’re not just defending Americas gun laws by muddying the waters.

    I read the article you posted at the beginning of March. In fact I’ve probably read the majority of the articles, and the studies underpinning them, on this subject for at least twenty years. I even read the U.N. Report linked in the original article. Did you?

    The truth is that simple semi-auto weapons like AR pattern rifles and Glocks can be bought here, sure, but a dozen different Federal Laws are being broken in order to get them to the gangs in Haiti. I’m sure it’s happening anyway and I’m not arguing about that.

    What I’m saying is that is that the claims of full auto weapons coming from the US are extraordinary and need far more proof than just an AP News article.


  • I think they “really wanted to know where they’re coming from” because the explanation from the article didn’t seem plausible.

    That’s exactly it. The only fully automatic firearms available for purchase in the United States are going to be used, very expensive, closely tracked by the Federal Government, with very limited quantities available. The idea that these kinds of firearms are being sourced in the US is unbelievable.

    Semi-Auto firearms I can believe, although its still wildly illegal, but not the full auto stuff. There’s just no way.




  • If they were behind any sort of credential, they’re not publicly available. It doesn’t matter that the website was poorly configured.

    It’s a bit confusing but as I understand it this is how it worked.

    The video files were publicly available BUT the URL’s to them were unknown. You could get to them without signing into the system IF you knew the URLs…which nobody did.

    This guy signed into the Content Management System, which he wasn’t authorized to do, using default “demo” credentials he found elsewhere. After doing that he could see the URLs for the files and was then able to download them without logging in. He may also have distributed the URLs so that other people could download them, again without having to log in.

    Him signing into the CMS without Authorization was likely a crime but the downloading of the videos likely wasn’t since they were publicly available if you knew they existed and how to reach them.


  • Haiti doesn’t have an Army and it’s not possible to steal THAT much inventory from the US Military without getting caught. It is possible for something to “fall off the back of the truck” occasionally but that kind of opportunity is extremely limited.

    Those AK47s are the same way, they can’t be purchased here…at least not in Full Auto form and the weapon that guy in the first picture is holding ALSO isn’t available for over the counter purchase in the United States. They may be “coming” from the US in that they are being shipped from Florida to Haiti but the United States itself almost certainly isn’t the original source.