Progressives won in states where Harris lost, so objectively, yes. We don’t need Republicans and Diet Republicans. We need two noticeably different parties.
The Democrats’ strategy is to appeal to as many voters as possible and work with people you might not agree with. They have won the majority of elections since the 90s with this strategy and gotten some legislation passed.
Progressives’ strategy is to refuse to work with any other ideologies, criticize to an extent that spreads apathy and demand all or nothing. They have consistently lost because of this and gotten no legislation passed. But their strategy hasn’t changed…
Yeah because leftist criticized Biden more than Trump.
With leftists as your allies you don’t need enemies. Makes sense why leftists aren’t winning any elections.
Manchin and Sinema consistently voted against party lines and were known for being republicans running as democrats. They consistently blocked the DNC. This is a bad faith argument.
Ok so just for a moment let’s pretend you are now democratic God/king/
emperor.
You get to build the new party of the left. What policies are you going to run on to garner support from the majority of Americans? I am genuinely curious what you imagine this ideal left wing party to look like.
You get healthcare, you get healthcare, everyone gets free healthcare.
The rent is too damn high, we’re going to put crippling taxes for owning empty housing
We’re going to tax corporations and close loopholes, and get rid of all income taxes for all
Clear messaging with easy, simple solutions. Ram them through.
They’ll cause side effects, but who cares? The cost of rent will plummet, Americans will have more money in their pockets, and they’ll get on board with more nuanced things. People will worry about their retirements or “the economy” at first, but they’ll get on board when these simple promises are fulfilled and they feel it
Then we work on unions, tax breaks and sweetheart loans for worker owned businesses, breaking up corporations, an actual green new deal, fixing elections, etc. All the nitty gritty most voters don’t want to take the time to understand
And we’ll just keep hitting it. They say “Our economy is ruined, these people are destroying this country”. We don’t bring up facts and figures, just keep slamming soundbytes “is your rent cheaper? Is your paycheck bigger? These people want to tax you so they can pay off the 1%”
See now this is a much better answer. I think if you ran on those stances you would be a pretty popular candidate.
The more money we can pull out of the 1%s coffers and move into the hands of the working class the better.
I think we should also prevent corporations from buying homes like Black Rock and others are doing.
No more government baleouts for companies that fuck everything up. IF we have to baleout a company like GM they don’t deserve to keep operating. Government takes over control and slowly sells off assets. Yes people will lose their jobs in the short term, but someone will need to fill the void of the missing production so in theory other car companies would expand to fill the space left behind and they would need to hire employees. Probably the employees that lost their jobs because the GM executives were greedy and/or stupid.
The working class is what keeps this country functioning. Not the top 1%. Put money in their pockets again and the economy will be stronger than ever before.
Raise the minimum wage, implement a single-payer universal healthcare system.
When Sanders was on stage at Fox News being grilled by their anchors for being “too radical”, Sanders turned to the audience and asked them if these policies were really so radical.
The Fox News audience chanted “No!” (to the surprise of the Fox anchors).
Slashing healthcare costs and putting more money in people’s pockets are winning strategies, especially if you can call out Republicans on their bullshit messaging.
So the only two things your new left wing party is going to run on is higher minimum wage (no specific amounts or percentage of local cost of living or anything specific?) and single-payer universal healthcare.
Yeah I don’t think you would get the majority of votes by making a party based around only those two things.
I’m not expecting a 10 page book of exactly everything you would implement and exactly how you would do it, but only answering like 10% of a question seems odd.
That would be like me asking you to list all your ideal ingredients for a sandwich and you only said “bread” then decided you didn’t feel like thinking of the rest so you just hit send and walk away.
That’s not the same person you originally responded to.
I agree with your sentiment, but just so you know, the person you asked the question “how will you rebuild the party” is not the person who responded to that question and you responded to.
Interesting you think they need to be more left?
Well, they at least need to be left of nazis. Can we agree on that? We just want the democrats to work on that for now. You know, baby steps.
Yes… I think we should strive to be left of the Nazis lol.
Progressives won in states where Harris lost, so objectively, yes. We don’t need Republicans and Diet Republicans. We need two noticeably different parties.
Yes, they’ve been moving right and trying to stay in the center for 30 years.
They’ve won the majority of the elections in the last 30 years. So must be a winning strategy.
The game has changed. The world has changed. Their strategy hasn’t…
The Democrats’ strategy is to appeal to as many voters as possible and work with people you might not agree with. They have won the majority of elections since the 90s with this strategy and gotten some legislation passed.
Progressives’ strategy is to refuse to work with any other ideologies, criticize to an extent that spreads apathy and demand all or nothing. They have consistently lost because of this and gotten no legislation passed. But their strategy hasn’t changed…
Right, well that “winning strategy” of the democrats has lost more than half the time against Trump, so clearly it’s not fucking working anymore.
Yeah because leftist criticized Biden more than Trump. With leftists as your allies you don’t need enemies. Makes sense why leftists aren’t winning any elections.
Democrats aren’t left at all, they are effectively center-right.
look at sinema and manchin, they led the biden administration.
Its a big tent, and its drafty in here.
Manchin and Sinema consistently voted against party lines and were known for being republicans running as democrats. They consistently blocked the DNC. This is a bad faith argument.
Hey, if you want I can let you borrow my goalpost mover. It’s handy for whipping up those No True Scotsmans in a jiffy.
No goalpost was moved. You should learn the meaning of terms before you try to use them.
Ok so just for a moment let’s pretend you are now democratic God/king/ emperor.
You get to build the new party of the left. What policies are you going to run on to garner support from the majority of Americans? I am genuinely curious what you imagine this ideal left wing party to look like.
You get healthcare, you get healthcare, everyone gets free healthcare.
The rent is too damn high, we’re going to put crippling taxes for owning empty housing
We’re going to tax corporations and close loopholes, and get rid of all income taxes for all
Clear messaging with easy, simple solutions. Ram them through.
They’ll cause side effects, but who cares? The cost of rent will plummet, Americans will have more money in their pockets, and they’ll get on board with more nuanced things. People will worry about their retirements or “the economy” at first, but they’ll get on board when these simple promises are fulfilled and they feel it
Then we work on unions, tax breaks and sweetheart loans for worker owned businesses, breaking up corporations, an actual green new deal, fixing elections, etc. All the nitty gritty most voters don’t want to take the time to understand
And we’ll just keep hitting it. They say “Our economy is ruined, these people are destroying this country”. We don’t bring up facts and figures, just keep slamming soundbytes “is your rent cheaper? Is your paycheck bigger? These people want to tax you so they can pay off the 1%”
See now this is a much better answer. I think if you ran on those stances you would be a pretty popular candidate.
The more money we can pull out of the 1%s coffers and move into the hands of the working class the better.
I think we should also prevent corporations from buying homes like Black Rock and others are doing.
No more government baleouts for companies that fuck everything up. IF we have to baleout a company like GM they don’t deserve to keep operating. Government takes over control and slowly sells off assets. Yes people will lose their jobs in the short term, but someone will need to fill the void of the missing production so in theory other car companies would expand to fill the space left behind and they would need to hire employees. Probably the employees that lost their jobs because the GM executives were greedy and/or stupid.
The working class is what keeps this country functioning. Not the top 1%. Put money in their pockets again and the economy will be stronger than ever before.
Raise the minimum wage, implement a single-payer universal healthcare system.
When Sanders was on stage at Fox News being grilled by their anchors for being “too radical”, Sanders turned to the audience and asked them if these policies were really so radical.
The Fox News audience chanted “No!” (to the surprise of the Fox anchors).
Slashing healthcare costs and putting more money in people’s pockets are winning strategies, especially if you can call out Republicans on their bullshit messaging.
So the only two things your new left wing party is going to run on is higher minimum wage (no specific amounts or percentage of local cost of living or anything specific?) and single-payer universal healthcare.
Yeah I don’t think you would get the majority of votes by making a party based around only those two things.
Yes let me just write an entire election manifesto whilst I’m taking my morning dump.
These are just examples of policies that actually do something for the majority of Americans, and that seem to be popular across the board.
I’m not expecting a 10 page book of exactly everything you would implement and exactly how you would do it, but only answering like 10% of a question seems odd.
That would be like me asking you to list all your ideal ingredients for a sandwich and you only said “bread” then decided you didn’t feel like thinking of the rest so you just hit send and walk away.
question: will you write me a thesis on how to solve all of societies problems?
(gives a good response in parts of how to do that)
WHY DIDNT YOU WRITE ME A THEIS???
That’s not the same person you originally responded to.
I agree with your sentiment, but just so you know, the person you asked the question “how will you rebuild the party” is not the person who responded to that question and you responded to.
Yes I am aware. But they did answer the question so I responded to their answer to my question.
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