I am absolutely shocked to hear this.
Democrats would rather lose than let Progressives lead the way.
If there ever was a time to criticize the democrats, it is 3 months AFTER an election.
If there ever was a time to not to criticize the democrats, it is 3 months BEFORE an election.
And by don’t criticize them before the election, he means the 2077 election. Give them time to figure things out, guys.
You think if we criticize democrats for 3.5 years straight it wont affect the outcome of an election as long as we stop for a few months?
Acknowledge mistakes and learning from them is the biggest advantage when running against the Republicans who think Trump can never make mistakes
No it just sows apathy and reduces voter turnout. But that seems to be the goal.
It only sows apathy because they keep shutting down progressive voices for… *checks notes… a 74 year old with cancer.
Maybe just maybe if AOC had been given a committee seat instead of being muscled out by Pelosi such criticisms wouldn’t “sow apathy.”
That’s just one of many examples. What you’re saying is we should stop critiquing them since they don’t change, and their unwillingness to change and pointing that out sows voter apathy.
We’re literally in a thread about how they refuse to learn anything and we still have you here being like “critiquing them only makes it worse!” Yeah, when they always ignore the critique to suck from the same wealthy teats as the Republicans, it’s hard for that not to create apathy.
Like I said, if they actually learned something and centered progressive voices, maybe critiquing them wouldn’t create apathy but would create excitement?
But noooooo, we just need to shut up about it I guess.
What you’re saying is we should stop critiquing them since they don’t change, and their unwillingness to change and pointing that out sows voter apathy.
Nope, I’m saying Trump won this election because enough voters were apathetic and stayed home and the constant criticism from the left contributed to that.
The constant ‘not good enough’ criticisms are the reason we are worse off now with Trump.
We’re literally in a thread about how they refuse to learn anything and we still have you here being like “critiquing them only makes it worse!” Yeah, when they always ignore the critique to suck from the same wealthy teats as the Republicans, it’s hard for that not to create apathy.
We are in a thread about an opinion piece. Sorry to interrupt your echo chamber but I need to remind you that the critiquing is coming from progressives: a group that consistently loses elections even after winning primaries.
If progressives would actually learn something they would show up to vote in their own best interests instead of falling for the “Genocide Joe”, “DNC isn’t good enough so we get Trump”.
The fact of the matter is not enough voters are progressive and progressives aren’t willing to work with any other ideologies so they consistently lose elections.
Do we have voting holidays for the primaries? Oh we don’t? So it’s quite likely a lot of those progressive voters are busy at work?
Hell, one year it was fucking caucuses in my state, where you had to show up and hang out for hours deliberating.
But sure, it’s not that the corporate wing of the party are in positions to be able to take off work and progressives are workaday laborers who literally struggle to get involved because of the roadblocks of American life.
When many US citizens can’t take a day off work without worrying about not being able to make rent, it’s kind of buffoonish to be like “They just need to try harder.” Maybe the party needs to make it way way fuckin easier to be involved and join the 21st fucking century instead of being like “these rules we’ve been using for 100 years are rock solid, no changes needed, fuck change.” The only people saying that are the corporate wing of the party because that benefits them to have progressives stuck on the hamster wheel.
My original comment said 3 months before an election is not the time to criticize - so I agree with you on that.
However, there has to be a time when we fix our mistakes and right now is the BEST time to do that.
However, there has to be a time when we fix our mistakes and right now is the BEST time to do that.
I agree with you there. The mistake we made was being critical to a point that got Trump elected.
The Democrats are over. If we ever even get the chance to vote again, a new progressive, actually left party must rise in its place
Interesting you think they need to be more left?
Well, they at least need to be left of nazis. Can we agree on that? We just want the democrats to work on that for now. You know, baby steps.
Yes… I think we should strive to be left of the Nazis lol.
Progressives won in states where Harris lost, so objectively, yes. We don’t need Republicans and Diet Republicans. We need two noticeably different parties.
Yes, they’ve been moving right and trying to stay in the center for 30 years.
They’ve won the majority of the elections in the last 30 years. So must be a winning strategy.
The game has changed. The world has changed. Their strategy hasn’t…
The Democrats’ strategy is to appeal to as many voters as possible and work with people you might not agree with. They have won the majority of elections since the 90s with this strategy and gotten some legislation passed.
Progressives’ strategy is to refuse to work with any other ideologies, criticize to an extent that spreads apathy and demand all or nothing. They have consistently lost because of this and gotten no legislation passed. But their strategy hasn’t changed…
Right, well that “winning strategy” of the democrats has lost more than half the time against Trump, so clearly it’s not fucking working anymore.
Democrats aren’t left at all, they are effectively center-right.
look at sinema and manchin, they led the biden administration.
Its a big tent, and its drafty in here.
Manchin and Sinema consistently voted against party lines and were known for being republicans running as democrats. They consistently blocked the DNC. This is a bad faith argument.
Hey, if you want I can let you borrow my goalpost mover. It’s handy for whipping up those No True Scotsmans in a jiffy.
Ok so just for a moment let’s pretend you are now democratic God/king/ emperor.
You get to build the new party of the left. What policies are you going to run on to garner support from the majority of Americans? I am genuinely curious what you imagine this ideal left wing party to look like.
You get healthcare, you get healthcare, everyone gets free healthcare.
The rent is too damn high, we’re going to put crippling taxes for owning empty housing
We’re going to tax corporations and close loopholes, and get rid of all income taxes for all
Clear messaging with easy, simple solutions. Ram them through.
They’ll cause side effects, but who cares? The cost of rent will plummet, Americans will have more money in their pockets, and they’ll get on board with more nuanced things. People will worry about their retirements or “the economy” at first, but they’ll get on board when these simple promises are fulfilled and they feel it
Then we work on unions, tax breaks and sweetheart loans for worker owned businesses, breaking up corporations, an actual green new deal, fixing elections, etc. All the nitty gritty most voters don’t want to take the time to understand
And we’ll just keep hitting it. They say “Our economy is ruined, these people are destroying this country”. We don’t bring up facts and figures, just keep slamming soundbytes “is your rent cheaper? Is your paycheck bigger? These people want to tax you so they can pay off the 1%”
See now this is a much better answer. I think if you ran on those stances you would be a pretty popular candidate.
The more money we can pull out of the 1%s coffers and move into the hands of the working class the better.
I think we should also prevent corporations from buying homes like Black Rock and others are doing.
No more government baleouts for companies that fuck everything up. IF we have to baleout a company like GM they don’t deserve to keep operating. Government takes over control and slowly sells off assets. Yes people will lose their jobs in the short term, but someone will need to fill the void of the missing production so in theory other car companies would expand to fill the space left behind and they would need to hire employees. Probably the employees that lost their jobs because the GM executives were greedy and/or stupid.
The working class is what keeps this country functioning. Not the top 1%. Put money in their pockets again and the economy will be stronger than ever before.
Raise the minimum wage, implement a single-payer universal healthcare system.
When Sanders was on stage at Fox News being grilled by their anchors for being “too radical”, Sanders turned to the audience and asked them if these policies were really so radical.
The Fox News audience chanted “No!” (to the surprise of the Fox anchors).
Slashing healthcare costs and putting more money in people’s pockets are winning strategies, especially if you can call out Republicans on their bullshit messaging.
So the only two things your new left wing party is going to run on is higher minimum wage (no specific amounts or percentage of local cost of living or anything specific?) and single-payer universal healthcare.
Yeah I don’t think you would get the majority of votes by making a party based around only those two things.
Yes let me just write an entire election manifesto whilst I’m taking my morning dump.
These are just examples of policies that actually do something for the majority of Americans, and that seem to be popular across the board.
I’m not expecting a 10 page book of exactly everything you would implement and exactly how you would do it, but only answering like 10% of a question seems odd.
That would be like me asking you to list all your ideal ingredients for a sandwich and you only said “bread” then decided you didn’t feel like thinking of the rest so you just hit send and walk away.
That’s not the same person you originally responded to.
I agree with your sentiment, but just so you know, the person you asked the question “how will you rebuild the party” is not the person who responded to that question and you responded to.
Yes I am aware. But they did answer the question so I responded to their answer to my question.
2 day old troll account, welcome blyat
Huh?
In a last-minute move, they shut the event off from the public and even deliberately shared the wrong address for where grassroots supporters are allowed to gather."
Lol, we’re fucked
Are they really failing to realize their losing strategy at this point? I think they just don’t care. They got theirs and fuck everyone else.
You can’t help but feel the new Chair is going to either make or break the party for the foreseeable future.
They need to pull a long shot, honestly, given that Bernie Sanders has said he isn’t going to seek re-election, I’d say nominate him. Even if he declines it sets the right tone. People need someone who can walk the walk, and spit that talk like hot fire. You have an easy and galvanizing message to get out. America works for all Americans, because we all pay out fair share… Except for when a small group of billionaires think they have the right to buy and sell our country and our rights. This class of ultra wealthy is like a cancer that has been allowed to survive and fester for too long. It is now growing at a faster rate than healthy society can maintain and it threatens to destroy it. All Trump appointed and nominated officials will be retired from their positions for security reasons, including judges. Citizens United will be reversed. Tax rates on the top 1% will be a minimum of 50%, regardless of the type of income. Universal healthcare coverage, and creating a socioeconomic state that supports workers to the point where the educated and skilled should be able to retire comfortably at 50. This will allow for new opportunities for younger workers of all types, and keep the American dream alive.
That would be week 1
Several hundred people will see change in the spreadsheet that
