The developer behind Pixelfed, Loops, and Sup, open source alternatives to Instagram, TikTok, and WhatsApp, respectively, is now raising funds on Kickstarter to fuel the apps’ further development.
The trio is part of the growing open social web, also known as the fediverse, powered by the same ActivityPub protocol used by X alternative Mastodon. The latter saw increased signups and use after the company formerly known as Twitter sold to Elon Musk in October 2022 and during the X exodus that followed the U.S. presidential election.
In the months and years following that sale, open source and decentralized apps like Mastodon and Bluesky (which uses the newer AT Protocol), have continued to grow their user bases, as people sought alternatives to centralized social media apps controlled by billionaires like Musk and Meta’s Mark Zuckerberg.
Edit: Link to the kickstarter
WhatsApp? Just use signal already!
Centralized. Not good. Conversations is on fdroid and is decentralized, federated, open source and uses a mature and battle tested protocol (XMPP). If I wanted something new, I would prefer Matrix over Signal.
People act like we need an alternative to Whatsapp but XMPP/Jabber exists and is much older.
what happened to pidgin
Pidgin is a client, not a specific protocol.
I know, I just remember I used to use it with jabber xmpp but I think after everyone got gtalk and then everyone got cellphones everyone moved away from those types of clients
Fun fact, Google Talk and Facebook used to be compatible with XMPP.
Why are there so many downvotes? Dude said the truth. Signal, like whatsapp, is a single point of failure. It can be enshittified just like whatsapp.
We are on Lemmy and some are against everything who is centralized.
With so many examples like twitter, reddit, Factbook, whatsapp, instagram etc. can you really blame us for not liking centralized services? Also, I don’t hate all centralized services. I love Wikipedia, Openstreetmap.org etc. Also, the outage of OSM earlier proves that single point of failure is a reason for concern.
I don’t like centralized services. I also never pretended the opposite.
This is for me and my usage. The caveat is that not everyone is in the tech. We can look at the disastrous communication of Mastodon. They focussed and lots of people promoting it focussed too on the “decentralized argument”. This backfired. It was not clear for the public. A good strategy would have been to market Mastodon as an alternative with an easy process to create an account on the general website. Tech people would have chosen another server and do their stuffs. People would learn progressively the decentralization part and move from server to server. This takes time. We have to put great strategies in places and be patient to bring the public to the fedi.
I don’t know if you know about it, but there’s this new community !growthefediverse@slrpnk.net They got some nice discussion about how to on-board more people on here.
What about Simplex over Matrix?
Sure, it looks great. But it doesn’t have the popularity of Matrix, which is already less popular than XMPP which has enjoyed decent adoption since it’s inception.
What are some good examples of apks to use in regards to this use-case?
It’s not really a whatsapp alternative. More like a facebook messenger alternative. It replaces and encrypts dms from mastodon, pixelfed, lemmy, etc
incorrect
Care to elaborate? Genuinely i interested as to why that is
Signal is just like WhatsApp. Same features. So yeah, that’s incorrect.
no
ᕕ(ᐛ)ᕗ Allllrighty then
Not on FDroid. Not open source
But it is open source. And there’s a fork of Signal available on F-Droid called Molly.
It is not open source. That’s why its not allowed on fdroid. It has parts that are open source, like most apps. But the app itself is closed source and a risk
The only part that isn’t open source is their spam filter.
Nope. Google deps
Can you explain a little more what you mean?
The app requires code from Google that is not open source and has a history of being malware that invades your privacy and steals your data.
Not open source
There are lots of good reasons to be upset with how Signal produces builds. And maybe Signal has no good reason why they keep opaque dependencies. But by every common definition of the term, Signal is open source. Being on FDroid is not the definition of open source.
Please don’t gatekeep. There are better ways to criticize Signal. This is not one of them.
If your releases include closed source blobs, then your software is closed source.
Following that logic:
Many popular Linux distros contain closed source blobs. Ergo Linux is closed source.
Then that particular build of the distro is closed source. The linux kernel is still open source.
Okay, so the Apache license is a “closed source” license?
Yes
Linux is an open source kernel. Many operating systems that use linux ars closed source, yes. This is the position of the FSF.
And its why most Linux distros have an option to include closed source or not.
Signal, however, has no option. Its just closed source software.
@ExFed @jagged_circle you mean drivers for external devices ?
Sure. That’s one possible vector. Is it “Open Source” software? Yes, they accept contributions for the community. It’s is “Libre” software? No, they depend on closed source software.
I’m trying to illustrate that the definition of “open source” can be weaponized for no good reason. Dismissing Signal because it doesn’t fit a narrow definition of “open source” makes everybody less secure. I have a hard enough time convincing my non-tech-savvy friends to switch to Signal. There’s a snowball’s chance in Hell I’ll convince them to use something even more obscure.
@ExFed Lol, I messaged 20+ connections to step over…nobody. We have a saying “what the farmer doesn’t know, the farmer doesn’t like” I fear signal has to be mentioned a thousand times from all directions before they “trust” it. The publics trust is based on repetition and the concept that a big firm has more to lose than an non profit.
You’re wasting your time. Have the move to a platform that is open source.
Stuff like this is a major, major component of dealing with nazis.
And even after they’re dealt with, it’s a better way of doing things, anyway. If it’s a company, you’re not on their social media platform, as much as you can possibly manage.
Which is a lot.
I’m all for fediverse.
It would help with a lot, yah
which uses the newer AT Protocol
This “newer” seems to be doing a lot of work.
Btw, you can also donate on Patreon, OpenCollective, and Liberapay.
I’m guessing using Kickstarter has the benefit of adding hype as a new thing. I’ve always been curious about Open Collective and Liberapay. Have you tried it? Was it a smooth process?
I donated with open collective before and it was a pretty smooth experience
I went with Patreon. The CEO seems like a cool guy that just wants to support other creatives. Hope he’s actually as cool as he comes across.
Heard they take a bigger cut tho, do you know how much was it when you donated?
No idea, but good to know. I’ll consider switching my next contribution to a different service. Thanks!
We use Open Collective to fund the instance and it has been pretty smooth sailing. Would definitely recommend to anyone running an instance.
Man, Dansup is tearing it up like an absolute beast. Donate to his fund.
Never heard of Sup for some reason, gotta check it out.
Sup hasn’t been released yet, so that’s probably why you haven’t heard of it. Dan says beta testing launches early 2025.
Is it really just one guy writing three different platforms?
There’s hundreds of other contributers, but he started them all and did the bulk of the work. The plan is to have more regular developers if they get enough donations.
Ah ok that makes sense. In my head this guy was maintaining four codebases which did seem impossible
It’s not impossible if you are a good developer
- PixelFed
- SUP
- Loops
- fedidb
- pubkit
Five.
Loops and sup started as upgrades to pixelfed and then got spun off.
I’m really excited for it. I might actually be able to get my family off Whatsapp because of fuckerberg, but I can’t get them to move twice. I’m debating pushing signal now, or waiting it out for sup
The challenge with messengers like Matrix and WhatsApp (and I assume sup, correct me if I’m wrong) is that they don’t encrypt the metadata like Signal’s sealed sender. Knowing exactly who you talk to and how frequently is a very juicy target for the government … And the government right now is orange Hitler and his ragtag team of muppets, so I trust that they’ll abuse whatever power and knowledge they have to the utmost.
I don’t know how sup will be, but signal is a mature product, run by a nonprofit, with functional apps etc. I moved my group of friends and my family years ago and it has all the essential features. People want stuff that just works, especially for talking and communicating daily. I doubt sup will be the same level of maturity while also offering the same security and privacy features as signal does, at least for years to come.
Lol fuckerberg, its too funny
(Sorry I don’t have anything to contribute to this discussion)
It started out as a major upgrade to Pixelfed’s dm system and got spun off into it’s own thing, same as Loops.
Basically a tool to add encrypted messaging to the fediverse, using the Signal protocol.
Has anyone here tried Loops? Does it have an algorithm and if so what’s it like? Any good?
It has a “For You” tab but it’s not doing anything yet. Or… I don’t know what it’s doing, to be honest.
Dansup said that he’s adding an algorithm soon.
I got it on my android phone. Currently just a chronological stream off all posts. A lot is just resposts of tiktoks or other cribbed content. When it’s not taken from tiktok, I feel like it’s pretty mild random video of pets or landscapes.
Folks if you still have legacy social, agitation over there is doing rounds right now. Unfortunately, there’s significantly fewer of us working to get people onboarded than thee last migration. If you still have those accounts, please consider plugging fedi.
Yeah, I haven’t logged into my fb account for a couple of years but this might be a good reason to go in and leave something in my ‘bio’ or whatever monstrosity it is these days, I can’t even remember.
Let’s hope this helps dansup get past the recent unpleasantness and he can delegate more. His output is amazing but burnout is a concern.
