65,000,000 eligible voters don’t vote. Should have fought harder to get those butts off the couch to vote than just “but Trump”. If you don’t excite the base, they’re not going to go out and vote.
Or here me out, they saw both sides as moraly reprehensable, not neccisarily equaly so, but enough that they would not be able to sleep at night giving either of them their vote, and tasid suport for what they are doing. As much as people here like to claim your really voting aganst the other guy, the vote is still for one side.
That would be valid if there were more than two choices. There were not. Not voting doesn’t free you from moral culpability; it makes you morally culpable for either outcome. Inaction is acceptance of the worst happening.
It is an action yes. But you presume to ascribe what it means for everyone and thats not how understanding a population of voters ideas works. You are thinking we all live in your head and we just dont.
To some it means, “I wont vote for that level of effing far right wing immorality, especially not from inside whats supposed to be a left leaning party.”
Or to others: “I wont be held hostage by DNC fuckheads so they can get whatever awful outcome they want, since they target the party being just to the left of fascism. They created and control this trolley problem nonsense.”
Or: “I dont like fascism in either party, thanks. Eff both the parties.”
And for people like yourselves it means, "I will do whatever these people tell me, including condoning war crimes and racism, so I can ‘win’ ". Thats just a reflection of who YOU are, @generalemergency. Not everyone else. And the people of your philosophical camp Lost. And maybe lost the country to fascism too. You effing lost, and now you’re here smugly lecturing as if you understand anyone, or even yourself.
It was leaderships job to read the demographics and polling and understand how to get to a win and they arrogantly didnt do that. It wouldnt even have been hard, and a win was very possible. Bidenists fundamentally misunderstood how to lead a coalition, and imperiously and arrogantly thought they could order people to vote for war crimes. Turns out that didnt work. Maybe they should have done their effing jobs instead of sniffing their own thrones.
So was appealing to right wing voters and alienating huge portions of the populations. In fact the Democratic Party took a LOT more ‘actions’ to lose this election than the people who stayed home did. Put your anger where it belongs for fucks sake.
Can’t both be criticized? I’m mad at people so disconnected they don’t care to vote for a Capitolistic oligarchy over a Fascist oligarchy just like I’m mad at the Capitolistic oligarchy for not being better at understanding/representing the voter base. You call for unity about party reform and then use phrases like, “you people are literally helpless.” It comes across as very hippocritical.
I hate the rules of the game just as much as you, but people who refuse to play the game (or refuse to learn its rules) are hurting everyone by helping Trump.
Not voting doesn’t tell anything to the Democrats. Not voting doesn’t say “You did bad in Palestine” because for years, not voting meant “I can’t be bothered to vote, and I don’t care who wins”.
If you have a specific message to your politicians, you have to contact them directly. Or protest. Or do something to actually get your message to them.
Someone left-wing deciding not to vote objectively helps Trump. That has nothing to do with attacking anyone, it’s an objective fact.
Biden hopefully will be the last “must secure the center” democrat. The winner in American elections is the one that has their base turn out more. If you do things to appease the center at the expense of the base, expect to loose.
Considering there’s no one from any left aligned party holding district wide, state wide or better. This comment is at best delusional.
If us leftists were the panacea many like to paint us as. We’d already be holding more offices than we do. Regardless of the NeOlIBeRaLs!
I think they’d do well to move more leftward. Benefitting the common man. Marginalizing any sort of economic liberal. But a lot is going to have to happen before that. And even then we will still need them more than they need us. Because honestly what’s the left’s excuse otherwise? We could if we wanted to, and oh you wouldn’t know our voters. She lives in Canada?
I feel like if we were in a horror movie, and I told you Michael Myers was coming to kill us, you would have just sat there telling me you’re tired and I need a reason for you to get up beyond “but Michael”
Maybe this needed to happen as a matter of karma and punishment, for complacency and stupidity.
Its just a sin others have to suffer for morons who dont know any better.
no joke, I’d take the last time any day of the fucking week, the world is infinitely worse position for a manchild and an entourage of tech fascists to be taking power, we’re essentially already in the opening stage of WW3 because of Putin’s fantasies.
too late to solve the problems by legal means, sure.
but if they make a move on anyone, like for real. there’s gonna be bodies on both sides. they aren’t the only ones with weapons.
and worse for them, they’ve convinced some people they have nothing to lose now.
Congrats to all the “democrats can do no wrong, so please ignore Biden’s ongoing genocide” who seriously thought they could get Arab Americans in Dearborn to vote for a man carrying out genocide against their brothers and sisters.
Sure… definitely NOTHING wrong with the democratic strategy. All of our problems are because people simply didn’t vote correctly.
I don’t think anyone was saying they could do no wrong, they were just saying if you think America’s support for Isreal was bad under the Democrates, just wait and see how much worse it’ll be under Trump. Basically anywhere an non-maga someone was critical of how the democrats were doing things, the GOP’s plans were further removed from what those particular people wanted.
So yeah, seems like they voted wrong in that case.
I don’t think it’s fair to attribute his winning the election on people that didn’t vote for Kamala. Young white men came out in droves voting for him - we cannot underestimate the political results of figures like Joe Rogan, Andrew Tate, and Ben Shapiro and the kind of rhetoric they’re able to spread.
Young people overall still went for Harris by the largest margin of any age group. The story is overwhelmingly one about turnout. The overall turnout was down 3% and the drop happened mostly in demographic groups that lean Democratic.
Congrats to all the “both sides are the same” folks who stayed home and handed this election to Trump.
65,000,000 eligible voters don’t vote. Should have fought harder to get those butts off the couch to vote than just “but Trump”. If you don’t excite the base, they’re not going to go out and vote.
Preventing fascism isn’t exciting. It’s a necessity. It’s the civic equivalent of brushing your teeth.
Yeah that doesn’t work. Making that argument again and again and not responding to the above critique is why Trump won.
Trump won because millions of people were swayed by propaganda and misinformation.
Or here me out, they saw both sides as moraly reprehensable, not neccisarily equaly so, but enough that they would not be able to sleep at night giving either of them their vote, and tasid suport for what they are doing. As much as people here like to claim your really voting aganst the other guy, the vote is still for one side.
That would be valid if there were more than two choices. There were not. Not voting doesn’t free you from moral culpability; it makes you morally culpable for either outcome. Inaction is acceptance of the worst happening.
Not voting is an action. An action that says, “either is fine”
It is an action yes. But you presume to ascribe what it means for everyone and thats not how understanding a population of voters ideas works. You are thinking we all live in your head and we just dont.
To some it means, “I wont vote for that level of effing far right wing immorality, especially not from inside whats supposed to be a left leaning party.”
Or to others: “I wont be held hostage by DNC fuckheads so they can get whatever awful outcome they want, since they target the party being just to the left of fascism. They created and control this trolley problem nonsense.”
Or: “I dont like fascism in either party, thanks. Eff both the parties.”
And for people like yourselves it means, "I will do whatever these people tell me, including condoning war crimes and racism, so I can ‘win’ ". Thats just a reflection of who YOU are, @generalemergency. Not everyone else. And the people of your philosophical camp Lost. And maybe lost the country to fascism too. You effing lost, and now you’re here smugly lecturing as if you understand anyone, or even yourself.
It was leaderships job to read the demographics and polling and understand how to get to a win and they arrogantly didnt do that. It wouldnt even have been hard, and a win was very possible. Bidenists fundamentally misunderstood how to lead a coalition, and imperiously and arrogantly thought they could order people to vote for war crimes. Turns out that didnt work. Maybe they should have done their effing jobs instead of sniffing their own thrones.
So was appealing to right wing voters and alienating huge portions of the populations. In fact the Democratic Party took a LOT more ‘actions’ to lose this election than the people who stayed home did. Put your anger where it belongs for fucks sake.
The democrats tried to appeal to the people who actually vote.
Any US citizen who was ok with Trump winning probably isn’t left wing.
Anyone left-wing US citizen who wasn’t ok with Trump winning but didn’t vote (assuming their vote mattered) is probably misguided at best.
You people are literally hopeless. Keep attacking your fellow people and never hold your politicians accountable. Thats working out great.
Can’t both be criticized? I’m mad at people so disconnected they don’t care to vote for a Capitolistic oligarchy over a Fascist oligarchy just like I’m mad at the Capitolistic oligarchy for not being better at understanding/representing the voter base. You call for unity about party reform and then use phrases like, “you people are literally helpless.” It comes across as very hippocritical.
I hate the rules of the game just as much as you, but people who refuse to play the game (or refuse to learn its rules) are hurting everyone by helping Trump.
Not voting doesn’t tell anything to the Democrats. Not voting doesn’t say “You did bad in Palestine” because for years, not voting meant “I can’t be bothered to vote, and I don’t care who wins”.
If you have a specific message to your politicians, you have to contact them directly. Or protest. Or do something to actually get your message to them.
Someone left-wing deciding not to vote objectively helps Trump. That has nothing to do with attacking anyone, it’s an objective fact.
Biden hopefully will be the last “must secure the center” democrat. The winner in American elections is the one that has their base turn out more. If you do things to appease the center at the expense of the base, expect to loose.
Considering there’s no one from any left aligned party holding district wide, state wide or better. This comment is at best delusional.
If us leftists were the panacea many like to paint us as. We’d already be holding more offices than we do. Regardless of the NeOlIBeRaLs!
I think they’d do well to move more leftward. Benefitting the common man. Marginalizing any sort of economic liberal. But a lot is going to have to happen before that. And even then we will still need them more than they need us. Because honestly what’s the left’s excuse otherwise? We could if we wanted to, and oh you wouldn’t know our voters. She lives in Canada?
I feel like if we were in a horror movie, and I told you Michael Myers was coming to kill us, you would have just sat there telling me you’re tired and I need a reason for you to get up beyond “but Michael”
Maybe this needed to happen as a matter of karma and punishment, for complacency and stupidity. Its just a sin others have to suffer for morons who dont know any better.
It already happened in 2016 though.
People are crazy if they think this will be the time the Dems learn their lesson. They haven’t learned it for decades.q
no joke, I’d take the last time any day of the fucking week, the world is infinitely worse position for a manchild and an entourage of tech fascists to be taking power, we’re essentially already in the opening stage of WW3 because of Putin’s fantasies.
well, yeah. That’s why last time should have been the wake-up call, because now it’s too late.
too late to solve the problems by legal means, sure.
but if they make a move on anyone, like for real. there’s gonna be bodies on both sides. they aren’t the only ones with weapons. and worse for them, they’ve convinced some people they have nothing to lose now.
I doubt it as I’m gonna be punished for this even though I did everything I was supposed to.
Same for the “establishment Democrats suck so I didn’t vote” as well. Because trump is so much better.
Congrats to all the “democrats can do no wrong, so please ignore Biden’s ongoing genocide” who seriously thought they could get Arab Americans in Dearborn to vote for a man carrying out genocide against their brothers and sisters.
Sure… definitely NOTHING wrong with the democratic strategy. All of our problems are because people simply didn’t vote correctly.
I don’t think anyone was saying they could do no wrong, they were just saying if you think America’s support for Isreal was bad under the Democrates, just wait and see how much worse it’ll be under Trump. Basically anywhere an non-maga someone was critical of how the democrats were doing things, the GOP’s plans were further removed from what those particular people wanted.
So yeah, seems like they voted wrong in that case.
Come back and tell me how long Palestine lasted under Trump lol
we won‘t win against these politics of resentment with resentment against potential allies
There’s not going to be another free election, so fuck’em.
I don’t think it’s fair to attribute his winning the election on people that didn’t vote for Kamala. Young white men came out in droves voting for him - we cannot underestimate the political results of figures like Joe Rogan, Andrew Tate, and Ben Shapiro and the kind of rhetoric they’re able to spread.
Young people overall still went for Harris by the largest margin of any age group. The story is overwhelmingly one about turnout. The overall turnout was down 3% and the drop happened mostly in demographic groups that lean Democratic.
Non-American here, but do you also plan on asking the Democratic Party to suck marginally less in addition to bashing non-voters?