A Direct is announced for April 2nd to cover the games.
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My question is the dock an eGPU?
Unlikely, Nintendo probably isn’t bothered to boost the graphics beyond the switch 2’s onboard GPU. Nintendo doesn’t really care about graphics so I’d be surprised if it had an eGPU.
If anything they put some better upscaling into it.
Thoroughly whelmed
It is a video game console that I have ever seen.
Will this still play switch 1 games? (Physical cartridges)
Yes
I’ll wait for the OLED model, because apparently this isn’t it.
:O
I bought a game on switch for like 40 bucks that ended up being really bad, and tried to get it refunded within about two hours of purchase, after about thirty minutes of play time. Couldn’t get the refund.
Ever since, I was VERY slow to buy anything, because, what if it’s unexpectedly bad? I have to know I mean it, otherwise I shouldn’t buy it. I want to buy a game, not flush money down the toilet.
So, now I kind of just don’t want a Switch 2.
My girlfriend accidentally bought Minecraft because she wanted to check out whether she could pay via PayPal. There are no further confirmations. Also no refund possible even though she hasn’t even installed it once. If I could be bothered, I’d sue, but in Germany that wouldn’t financially make sense, even though it would not be a hard case at all
Buy it on the first day, never connect it to the internet and wait for the first jailbreak. Then you never have to pay for any game.
I accidentally bought a game that didn’t have English in the region I bought it in and they wouldn’t refund me.
Steam deck?
Been tempted to get a steam deck at some point, just not sure how much I would use it and if it would justify the cost, having all my games already makes it infinitely more appealing than the switch though.
Can’t wait… for a Switch 2 emulator
Yuzutu?
This blog post is worthless. A direct link to the official video announcement would be better.
It had worth to me, as someone who was stuck in a place where it was unacceptable to watch a video but was acceptable instead to read a summary quietly.
Mute the video?
There’s also this
The summary of the article isn’t even good. It buries the info in a bunch of other useless information, probably to increase word count and SEO. They could have included pictures from the video, too, but didn’t.
Looks starkly… Non-Nintendo-y?
I dunno, changing from the full colored joycons to black with accents and more rounded corners caught me off guard. This looks like a handheld from GPD or ONEXPLAYEREverything has to look so serious these days.
The colourful Joy Cons were part of the Switch’s identity, sad to see it reduced to an accent they seem almost ashamed of.
My switch came with black joycons. Iirc it cost extra to get the colored ones.
I think they were the same, but the coloured ones were a little harder to get irrc? Preordered the grey version and it cost 330€ - coloured joy-cons should have been the same
The original switch also had an option with grey joy cons
I’m guessing the all grey model probably sold better than the one with colorful joycons so they lead with that this time.
I’m sure that they’ll have a billion models with more color
True theseloook rather serious. That said their customer base is also far wider than children these days.
Can’t help but be a little disappointed. The last few consoles have all been pretty drastically different, but this is just the Switch released again. Only with different connections so you need all new accessories.
Nintendo consoles tended to be radical, Nintendo handhelds were more iterative.
The Game Boy and DS lines all built gradually on each other, seems the Switch line is following suit. I assume Nintendo see the Switch as a handheld that can be docked, rather than a console that’s also portable, so I guess it makes sense that it’s following a similar trajectory of previous handheld lines.
I mean the DS was pretty radical at the time.
I feel like Nintendo does a huge innovation, then an iteration or two(or a bunch of little changes), then back to a big change. Wii/WiiU, GB/GBA, DS/3DS, switch/2
I am hoping that the Joycon mouse mode turns out real and used in some interesting ways.
I totally missed that the first time I watched it. That’d be awesome.
Nintendo collapsed its console and handheld product lines for the Switch. We’re also seeing large parts of the gaming industry adopt the Switch form factor for their products. I don’t think there is anything that Nintendo could innovate on that would sell.
Yeah with Nintendo watching two Xboxes languish and consumer discontent with the recent playstations as well, there’s not a real impetus for something radical in design. Some innovation would be exciting but the Switch and PC Handhelds prove people want big grippy mobile devices, even if they’re only moving between rooms.
I mean that’s not what I want, but money talks and I fit into exactly what you said. I did not buy an Xbox, I did but a PS5, but hardly bought (I don’t think I’ve even beaten) any games. The next switch is probably the next console I’m excited about. But it’s not because of the portability, it’s because they still make couch co-op games.
In short I want to say I don’t care for handhelds but I’ll probably try harder to get a switch close to release than I will a PS6 even though I don’t know how much of a point in either right now. I just have console fatigue, but keep paying into the problem.
Being able to bring your console to someone else to play couch co-op with them makes developing that style much more appealing.
At the same time, the Switch is such a solid console that a hardware upgrade with full backwards compatibility* is really the best case scenario. People have wanted a bigger screen, better chip, and better joysticks since launch, and now we’ll have them!
*the video says it’s not 100% compatible, but I’m assuming that’s for stuff like Labo and Ring Fit that need those exact joycon sizes/shapes.
Yeah, I guess I was just hoping for more of a new generation type reveal, rather than a sequel to the Switch. Better hardware is definitely a plus though, would be nice to replay TotK or Pokemon SV with better graphics & performance. I still wonder if those two games were meant to release alongside a Switch 2 prior to the chip shortage.
They’ll probably at least try to somehow make the mig switch non-functional on the switch 2, which could cause some other games to not work.
I get why - the Switch was the successor of both their console and handhelds, and it did very well. Why change it?
You’d need all new accessories anyway with a complete redesign.
I’ve bought every Nintendo console up until the Wii U. Since they abandoned that early, I decided to skip the Switch. I’ll likely pick this up. If this doesn’t do well and gets abandoned early again, I’ll at least get to play all the games I’ve missed over the years due to backwards compatibility.
The Switch has so many good games! Sure, most are available on other platforms as well, but overall it’s such a great system.
Every single console reveal, there’s a take exactly like this, and it always ages like milk. Every time.
I don’t follow - is it going to somehow transform into something that isn’t a switch?
So much for Nintendo’s previous naming conventions. I was really hoping for the New Super Nintendo Switch U.
They wanna make it very clear that this is their best-selling console ever but better, I would‘ve been surprised if they didn‘t just slap a 2 on it. There‘s so much riding on this for them.
I think that’s still the DS. The Switch got close, but didn’t beat it, and now that attention is on the Switch2, it probably won’t.
I don’t think Nintendo have ever done a Console 2 before though. I was hoping for Super Switch but as ever Nintendo absolutely refuse to be predictable!
nintendo switch advanced sp
I’m sure it was considered, but a console nicknamed SS was probably ruled out.
I don’t think the Sega Saturn was particularly popular with neonazis
To be fair, it wasn’t especially popular with anyone.
I think you’d be surprised, Hitler The Dolphin was one of the best selling games of the era
I’d forgotten about the Sega Saturn. My only Sega console was the Genesis.
Yeah, I get that, I was just trying to say that the above is probably their reasoning in my mind. They‘re scared shitless to fuck the transition up, calling it „The Stuff You Guys Loved 2.0“ is the lowest risk move.
I like your Super Switch though lol
I guess they really did learn from the WiiU!
Don’t worry, I’m reading your sarcasm.
Plus it’s an actual straight upgrade, what with backwards compatibility and all.
Partial backwards compatibility, based on their asterisk, at least.
That’s probably only referring to games like labo and ring fit
They got scared after what happened with the Wii U.
The new 3ds was very confusing too
Yeah, everyone always brings up the Wii U but the whole “New” 3DS situation was even less clear if you ask me
Then you add in the 2DS which came out after the 3DS.
New Super Mario Bros U2 Deluxe & Knuckles
Super Nintendo Switch 128 Dodecahedron V.
& Knuckles
Starring Dante from the Devil May Cry series
It occurred to me that this is the first time Nintendo has ever not used some new weird naming convention for a successor console. Just 2.
I’d buy a Nintendo Switchety-Four in a heartbeat
…Cube 128
Yuzu 2 when
Nintendo lawsuit want to know your location
Deny
Denny’s
If it’s anything like how the Wii was basically a GameCube it may not even be all that hard to rework existing switch emulators to work with switch 2 games. Given that it’s going to have full back compat I bet that’s why they went after switch emus so hard. They wanted to halt development as much as possible for as long as possible so it doesn’t eat away at their switch 2 sales.
I recall reading something about Nintendo wanting to include Denuvo in the Switch 2. Will be interesting to see whether or not this one’s games and consoles are cracked wide open as readily as before.
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Well, it’s a bigger, better Switch alright…
A little bit underwhelming hardware-wise.
Extra joycon L/R don’t seem like they’ll factor in much in most singleplayer docked or handheld settings.(I guess those aren’t new buttons… .) The mouse thing (if that’s what they’re showing) is somewhat interesting and helps to keep touch controls relevant when docked. Top USB port, sure. Backwards compatibility is great news. Screen is…?As always with Nintendo I think it comes down to the games. Mario Kart 9 hasn’t blown me away just yet, but we’ve barely seen anything at all so…
To be continued in April, i guess.
Mario Kart 9 hasn’t blown you away? What the fucking 8 seconds of it didn’t make you reevaluate your life?
What moronic take.
Did I offend you or something? Does your dad work for Nintendo? 🙄
It’s a figure of speech. But let me really spell it out for you and any other fucking slowpokes in the back of the class…
I’m not impressed with the hardware or the software that they showed today. They should show more than 8 seconds of a game that looks marginally better than Mario Kart 8 (a game I bought and enjoyed 11 years ago on the Wii U) if they want to impress me and sell me on a piece of hardware that is incrementally better than the Switch they sold me 8 year ago. Hopefully they have something that will impress me when they do another presentation in April, but if not that’s cool who gives a fuck man.
Which mouse thing? they seem to be exactly all the same inputs the Switch 1 already had.
They seem to be implying that you can turn the joycons on their side to use them kind of like a mouse… I guess?
At least that’s what the rumors and chatter have been saying. How practical that is… I dunno.
A mouse mode could be extremely useful for things like Civilization or Fire Emblem. Of course, the touch screen is also great for that and Three Houses and Triangle Strategy didn’t support it.
It looked like they were mimicking cars to me, not mice. Not saying that it wouldn’t be a cool concept if it has an optical sensor. But they didn’t show any visual feedback to imply they were controlling any kind of cursor. If that was the implication, it’s obvious it was a rushed marketing piece.
They were attached to an accessory that allowed them to slide like that. It must have a point other than just look cool on the trailer.
Okay so they just made it slightly bigger. I don’t know how to feel on the joycons, though. Like with them just being held by that connector alone on either side, doesn’t make me think they’ll be as secure.
I wouldn’t really call this an ushering of a new generation, this just feels more like an suped up Switch model.
At least you’ll be able to play nearly all Switch games on it so nothing is that drastic.
this just feels more like an suped up Switch model.
To be fair, the last 2-3 generations of PlayStation and Xbox consoles have also been a little more than a bump in CPU/GPU specs. Anything else they added was just gimmicky fluff like Kinect that never really caught on.
Were we really expecting Nintendo to come out with something that wasn’t also just a souped up version of the last console?
Slightly bigger? Look again, the old switch screen has massive boarders and this one lokks to go to the edges as well as being larger by a few inches. It looks steam deck sized. I would say its a significant increase.
And i got the impression that the joycons would be magnetic. That would make connecting and disconnecting them MUCH easier and intuitive. The amount of times ive seen people struggle the first time with the joycons having the button to release.
Seems like a good upgrade to me. And thats not to mention the extra shoulder buttons on the joycons, the larger joycons, and the fact that this likely doesnt reveal everythin nintendo has in store for us.
I am pretty sure those extra shoulder buttons on the back are the release levers for the joycons. I think the joycons attatch magnetically, but which also activate locking hooks. Otherwise people would be accidentally detaching joycons and the tablet portion would fall and break. Nintendo designs hardware to be kid friendly, so there is almost certainly a secondary attachment mechanism in addition to the magnets.
I was talking about these buttons. And in terms of locking in, thats a possibility but a strong set of magnets with a recessed area and a connector seems like it would be quite secure.
Ohh that makes sense!
Now that I am looking at it again, I wonder if those buttons you circled are actually little plungers that push the joycon away from the body to help release it.
Edit: Whatever way they attach, I hope the new joycons don’t loosen and flex like some of the current joycons do. Some of my joycons have “wobble” when attached and it makes me sad.
There’s a little square recessed area on the bottom of the pink part, which I just now noticed. Might be some kind of locking mechanism?
Or it could be for the strap portion.
It also fixes one of the number one switch components to break - the little plastic toggles that lock the joycons in.
I think the expectation is that the rails are magnetized. There were a lot of reports saying that they were expected to use that technology.
Hoping they add Hall effect sensors and eliminate drift once and for all
It looks like the controllers attach to the screen magnetically, which may interfere with the sensors of Hall Effect sticks
Hall effect sensor expert here! No, the magnets in the joycons that are used to attach to the display/body of the Switch 2 would not interfere with hall effect analog sticks.
Two reasons:
- The magnets are too far away (sensors are usually only sensitive to magnets within 10-12mm directly above/below)
- The mounting/attachment magnets would be perpendicular to the magnets in the analog sticks (if you imagine the flux lines they wouldn’t cross the sensory boundary).
Regardless, it would be trivial to place a tiny little piece of ferromagnetic blocking tape wherever necessary to prevent interference.
Would the NFC system in the stick interfere with hall effect sensors?
That Doesnt affect Hall & Oates sensors, though.
I’m not a scientist but I’m pretty sure theyd be able to calibrate the sensors to ignore the magnetic force of the attachment points
Maybe, I got the Pimax Portal a while back and due to their magnetic attachments Hall Effect sticks wouldn’t work. I’m sure Nintendo would have a better time solving this issue than Pimax would though
Rumors/Leaks had them and they were right about what we see in the trailer so hopefully. I’m hoping yes, nintendo must be tired of repairing joycons ^^
The joy cons were awful for that.
I updated my Joycons to the hall effect sticks and they’re awesome. No drift after several months.
Cool for Nintendo fans but the ROG Ally has changed the game for me. I’ll miss Pokémon but they haven’t been good in a while so whatever.
I can play them on my Steam Deck. Just fyi.
Pokemon is literally the same game over and over, I hugely regretted my purchase of pokemon x cause it was literally a cloned game with barely any new features. It’s probably Nintendo’s most effective cash cow in terms of effort to capital reward.
It is literally the biggest money maker in the world. The games sell about 3/5 as many copies as COD with a tiny fraction of the budget. And then they sell even more in merch. And there are people (like me in the past) that buy Nintendo consoles just for those games.
That doesn’t contradict what they said. It being popular says nothing about quality, variety, or effort. In fact, it may be counter to them, as your example of CoD indicates.
I wasn’t trying to contradict them??
Good! I couldn’t tell. I thought it could be an appeal to popularity saying they’re good games because they sell well, not they sell well regardless of them being repetitive.
Sub in literally any Nintendo franchise and it’s the same problem, but Nintendo fans don’t care.
X and Y introduced Mega Evolution, arguably one of the greatest iterative improvements in Pokémon.
With the upcoming Pokémon Legends: Z-A in 2025, I’m thinking about replaying X and Y.
Scarlet and Violet were so disappointing that I too am hesitant about future Pokémon games. But I’ll keep my eyes and ears peeled to see how their upcoming games are. I no longer am a day one buyer of Pokémon games, after being burned badly on the rushed Scarlet/Violet games.
The fact that Mega Evolutions are one of the greatest iterative improvements speaks to how stale it is.
X&Y were awful though
I’m going to disagree. While it seems to you that it’s the same game over and over. They do add more creatures per generation, there are new moves, there are new ways in how pokemon does battling and just new things added per generation.
The formula may have been a little stagnant or not as impressive as other leaps before, but still new things.
I hear this argument all the time, but I don’t really understand it. I remember when Pokemon first came out and me and all the other kids were imagining wandering through dense jungles hunting for rare and elusive Pokemon. Sure, we’d imagine battles too, but the franchise always seemed way more about discovery and adventure than about battling. That’s why I haven’t managed to finish a pokemon have since X and Y, in spite of trying each one. The battles get better, sure, but I just don’t really care. Luckily, Legends Arceus was exactly what I always pictured Pokemon to be about, and I had a blast playing through it. Hopefully the next Legends game will be just as good.
As someone who started with Red/Blue all the way at the beginning, but has grown tired with the formula, I agree Arceus was exactly what I always wanted, but it was also too little too late. It was cool that it finally got to that point, but they’re so far behind the rest of the industry. It easily could have been made 10 years before and it still wouldn’t be ahead of any trends.
Its obviously a game for children, and that’s great. I loved them when I was a child too. I just wish they’d put more effort into it. They make stupid amounts of money, yet they can’t even try to innovate.
palworld is great
Well Windows is a no for me on that. And while the steam deck is nice and the OS runs on the ally too, it’s still a pc with all it’s pros and cons.
(I use both worlds BTW)
What are the pros and cons you’re considering, and how do they compare to the pros and cons of a Nintendo console?
That’s a fair question which I have to cut a little short due to it being a huge topic:
The overhead of a full blown operating system you have to maintain is not a trivial thing. You have to update and maintain os, drivers and applications at least and it’s directed at all purpose use in general. That means all of the above and games might or might not fit well to a handheld device. Even if it’s maintained by a third party (eg Asus) there are many many moving parts that are all purpose. This might be a dialog box with unaccessible options you have to work around or games not working with the controls you need to fix and might never (for me steredenn on steam deck). You can however literally do what you want with it.
Compared to this a console is an optimized experience, golden cage. Things just work. Yes there might be the off chance but in general the producer has a system. 100% under their control and can test and optimize very well, which Nintendo debatably does.
The ROG Crate software is actually pretty good. It’s not perfect but I rarely have to interact with Windows at all and once you get used to the controls when doing so not all that bad. And I dislike Windows a lot, but if I feel that it’s mostly a non issue. I wouldn’t go for a SteamOS version either, as I like Gamepass.
I switched to Linux probably about two years ago. I was annoyed that GamePass didn’t work (because MS specifically handles it in a way to make it not work). Then I just stopped caring. If I want to try a game, there’s other ways to (🏴☠️). MS specifically created their software to not work where I want to be, so they don’t deserve my money. I’m not going to pay my captor to keep me there. I’d happily pay for it again, but they need to meet me where I want to be, and they easily can if they choose to.
Can they though? Isn’t the responsibility of porting games to Linux that of the developer? They could create a Gamepass for Linux but that would probably entail more money spent on licensing that platform, and funding ports which they certainly have no economic incentive to do.
That being said, they seem really committed to their “everything is an Xbox” strategy so it would not surprise me terribly if they ended teaming up with Valve at some point and created some kind of Gamepass on Steam thing, where you can play Gamepass games directly from steam or something, which would presumably also include the MacOS and Linux versions of the game if they are available.
GamePass doesn’t work because it uses a proprietary encryption method for all the games. It’s why you can’t mod them (unless explicitly allowed by MS, which then decrypts the files to be modified). The games almost all work perfectly well on Linux. It’s specifically an issue with the GamePass platform, which was designed by MS to only work on Windows. It’s MS making the choice to not allow it to work anywhere else.
Gamepass is the one reason I can’t switch. I’m with you on the crate software, pretty damn impressive.
Right? I’ve seen a lot of people on Reddit shitting on it and I for the life of me can’t understand why. The only big issue imo is the lack of a proper sleep mode. Hopefully Microsoft addresses this issue when/if they truly build a handheld windows experience.
And yep, I’ll stick with Gamepass until enshitification runs its course. When it does then I’ll switch to SteamOS. But for now the service is still great for me.
