I’d expect the shortest day of the year to also be the coldest, with the coldest season of the year spreading out equally on both sides of it.
To answer the original question, it’s because the earth is very large and retains the heat from warmer times preceding the solstice in the water bodies and the ground, like a buffer, so there is a lag time for things to lose that heat and get to the coldest air temps. As an analogy, if you heat up some rocks in the oven, then turn off the oven, the rocks will still stay hot for a long time and gradually cool off.
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Ever notice during the summer the hottest part of the day is usually around 3 or 4 in the afternoon instead of at noon? Same thing, just on the order of months instead of a day.
That seems to be specific to where you are
If the days start cooling down at noon for you, you’re closer to the outlier set than me.
It’s a timezones vs actual sun time thing. In Spain near me they are like 2 hours away from their actual sun time so you can even add that to the lag you said. I’m sure it’s the other way around somewhere in the world, specially in medium and big countries
That’s a little pedantic. The exact time isn’t really important, just that it is not exactly at midday, it’s a few hours after midday.
That’s the thing though. Spain’s time zone is so far ahead of where it should be, for most of the year the hottest part of the day really is around noon. When stupid-pretendy-time is in effect (which a quick google tells me is 7 months of the year), solar noon is at 10 am in Spain, which means clock noon is at 2 pm, roughly the hottest part of the day.
There’s also the fact that local factors have an effect. Closer to the equator, the hottest part of the day tends to be earlier. Humidity can have an effect, as can the amount of concrete and asphalt versus earth and trees.
Time zone doesn’t affect “midday”
Midday is when the sun is at its highest point. The hottest part of the day is pretty much always a few hours after midday.
Of course there are exceptions, there’s almost always exceptions for literally everything and it’s kind of useless pointing it out.
Midday is 12:00. If you want to refer to solar noon, call it solar noon.
I spent about a week in Toledo, Spain for a wedding a few years ago during the summer. We were taking siestas on our second day there and eating dinner at 10pm.
It was actually quite enjoyable operating on the Spanish time-conventions.
The thing is, the time zones aren’t necessarily related to the lifestyle. A siesta at 1 on the current clock is identical to a siesta at 11 on a more natural clock. But either way you have a siesta when the sun is near its peak.
Seasons of Bergen, Norway:
December - February: Cold and dark and wet season. Stock up on antidepressants, good food, “Hygge”-paraphenelia, asthma medication and remain indoors.
March - mid-July: Cold and green season.
Mid-July: Summer!!!
Mid-July - August: “pretend it is still summer”-season. Yes, we can grill and drink beer in the garden dammit just put on an extra jacket.
September: Wet and windy season.
October - November: Soggy cold season. Shoes and jackets go to the Drying Rack, not on the regular rack.
addenum: june-august is also barely-nighttime season. Sun “goes down” at 22:00 and remains barely under the horizon until 04:00 so the sky just stays bright. Good luck explaining to your toddler that it is night and time to sleep.
Seasons in Texas:
June 5-October 25th: fuck you it’s 100+° F / 38° C. Most non-native plants die if they receive direct sunlight all day. It’s 85°F / 30°C at night.
October 26th - December 10th: fuck you it’s 90° F / 32° C but also 40°F / 5°C in the morning; you’d better have 2 sets of clothes for the day
Dec 11th - Feb 28th: actually decent weather
March 1st - May 1: it’s getting hotter but also raining a lot so it’s muggy but the weather is still tolerable sometimes
May 2 - June 4: Hot and humid, sensory nightmare, air outside feels like your lungs have been filled with a damp blanket. 95+% humidity at all times.
Damn, that sounds a lot like Don’t Starve Together seasons. How do you handle the human-size mosquitoes during the wet season though? 🤔
Remain indoors.
Seasons of Lahore, Pakistan (imo):
- Mid-December to February: chilly weather, often between 4-15 degrees Celsius, pretty mild compared to the rest of the year
- March: first spring, plants are noticeably becoming more alive, flowers are blooming, but temperatures are rapidly increasing. Around this time I set my heat pump to cooling mode
- April to July: first part of summer, very dry, heatwaves start to happen. Temperature is around 28-40 degrees usually
- July to early September: second part of summer, around as hot as the first part but monsoons start to happen
- September: second spring, ofc similar to the first but temperatures start to drop.
- Mid-September to November: the smoggy season. Pretty moderate temperatures (10-25 degrees), but there is way too much air pollution. A lot of it is due to farmers burning their stalks around this time. I set my heat pump to heating mode around the latter half of this season
Why call it 2nd spring? I though the more used name is autumn
In the video, the creator (talking about the seasons where they live, in Southern Coastal California) states that instead of saying “spring” and “autumn”, they call both seasons “nice”, because they are indistinguishable. I’m using the same rationale, basically.
Where I live we got green and brown
There are three popular reckonings for the 4 season model. The meteorological seasons, astronomical seasons, and solar seasons. The solar season places the solstices and equinoxes in the middle of each season. The meteorological seasons are based on temperature but these days are aligned with the months with summer/winter (depending on hemisphere) starting at the start of December and ending on the last day of February. The model the US uses is the astronomical model of seasons and makes the least sense to me, it places the start of each season on the solstices and equinoxes which means that midsummer is actually the start of summer there.
There are three popular reckonings for the 4 season model. The meteorological seasons, astronomical seasons, and solar seasons
If there are 2 things I hate, it’s off by one errors.
There’s 3 ways to model 4 seasons. All 3 ways recognize there are 4 seasons.
I once again come to inform that “the start of winter” changes depending on where you are.
So in you case that is just how it lines up, but where I live the winter starts October 14th.
Not sure if it is technically correct, but I think of it like the momentum of Earth’s atmosphere. It takes a lot of momentum to alter the system. The days getting a little longer by a few minutes depending on latitude makes little difference. We are still dropping in average temps the further towards the poles.
Riding a bicycle everywhere for years in Southern California, this was something I would think about a lot on the commutes in the dark of winter, and the wind and rain patterns. Like here, I know if it will rain based on the wind direction alone. I only check the weather when I’m too lazy to go outside or something odd is happening. After the solstice there seems to be more turbulence that is added to the system. There is more of a back and forth between on an off shore flow patterns. It is our rainy season here, and we have nights get around 10°F cooler. This is when I break out my 40°F layers. On a bike, everything is still skin tight. I can shed some layers but don’t like to stop to do that. I have specialty gear for every 10°F of temperature drop. If I wear 40-50°F gear in 50-60°F temps, I will sweat like crazy and then freeze from being wet. I wear my coldest gear a lot less than I did 15 years ago, but I still haven’t needed it this year. I will in the months to come.
Most people are not connected to the weather and outside world very directly like this in the West. In my experience, the solstice marks the low point where I have around 6 weeks until things start getting better.
It’s a convention. And not one that everyone follows. In Australia we use meteorological seasons, which start on the first of the month. So today is precisely one third of the way through summer.
Because of what you said, I do think that the way we do it is better. It puts the solstice (the day literally called “midsummer”) closer to the middle of the season, and also makes more sense because it puts seasons aligned with the human calendar.
Ultimately, the 4 seasons are a human invention and we can choose where we put them.
Edit: meteorological seasons start on the first of the month. The name for when you start on the solstice/equinox is astronomical seasons.
Yup. “The map is not the territory” as Alfred Korzybski put it.
There are (at least) four different definitions of winter:
- Astronomical seasons are what you describe, and these are obviously based on astronomical events, for which the equinoxes and solstices are the perfect fix points. That the seasons start at these days is purely conventional, and in some times (roman empire) and places (Celtic calendar) people used these days as the center point of the season instead (also known as “Solar seasons”). Why those don’t match up with the actual temperature has already been explained in countless other replies.
- Meteorological seasons use a simple, month based approach, where winter is just December, January and February. That makes it easier for statistical usage but obviously is also just a man-made convention.
- The energy sector defines winter as the time of extended energy needs due to heating. Where I live, that’s defined as 1. of October - 31. of March, but for obvious reasons that’s highly dependent on where you are.
- Phenological seasons are a bit more what you’re looking for: They are based on biological events in indicator plants and a lot more complex than just being four fixed periods and only ever the same for small regions. Where I live, there are ten phenological seasons, winter starts when the English Oaks drop their leafs and ends with the blooming of the Common Hazle.
In other cultures there might be vastly different seasons. In many tropical countries you’ll only have the dry season and the monsun season.
It’s a modern convention. In the Celtic calendar solstice marked the middle of winter and older Christmas carols mark Yule as midwinter. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1_R3GPkIDeM
Solstice sure as hell isn’t the first day of winter of all of us, we got first snow on October or November.
An old answer I saw said that Europe (where conventions originated) has a bigger lag in temperatures than North America has. We both lag and the lowest temps are commonly in Jan-Feb.
Why does it matter for Europe? Winter solstice is an astronomical event. Also probably practiced in China earlier.
Labeling it the beginning of winter is a cultural thing.
Two things because I’m not sure what you’re referencing. 1) We inherited a shit ton of European norms and terminology. 2) The cold weather in Europe has much more lag because of their geography. Large bodies of water, which Europe is surrounded by on 3 sides, smooths out and slows temperature changes.
I’m unclear what it has to do with Europe besides the cultural part because it’s a planetary event that cannot be affected by humans
Sigh. This is my last explanation and there are plenty of explanations in this thread. I’m taking small liberties to get the point across:
In North America it’s cold Dec to Feb.
In Europe it’s cold Jan to March. Europe has a bigger lag in cold temperatures because of their geography.
It doesn’t? Winter starts weeks before the solstice.
That article is just as useless as the comment it replies to, because it fails to acknowledge the fact that marking the start of the season with the solstice is only a convention that some places observe. Others do not.
Winter does not start on the same day everywhere.
Several cultures do use it to mark the middle of winter. Celts and Chinese come to mind. They are communiting a different set of information when they do it.
It’s a social construct but it’s based on the equinoxes/solstices being evenly spaced, somewhat objective, and easier than any alternatives.
