This is going to be fun watching over the next four years. LOL. You just gotta laugh.
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I for one welcome the new natural selection process. Can we do more of these?
“only eat mushrooms with redcaps for a week to detox your body” “building up infection immunity by sitting in an ice bath of shit”
At least with this one they’re only killing themselves and their own kids.
IdiotsBecause it’s the dumbest fucking thing they could do that doesn’t show immediate harm to them in the short-term.
They think raw milk is natural, but would they still feel that way if they knew how selectively bred all dairy cows are at this point? The DNA of the dairy cow is where the milk manufacturing pipeline begins. We didn’t select for sanitary milk from the udder because we knew it could be pasturized later in the pipeline.
These people fundamentally don’t understand nature. We had cows for 8,000 years or so, we existed at least x200 that. So it’s 0.5% of our existance which means it’s a relatively new technology. Even if you appeal to naturalism here it makes absolute no sense.
It’s obvious why they’re suddenly obsessed with Raw Milk. It’s the same reason they were suddenly Anti-Vax, anti-Mask, and anti-plague-control.
Democrats said a thing, Republicans immediately reply with the opposite.
Democrats said Vaccines prevent disease, Republicans declared vaccines are poison. Democrats said wearing a mask can reduce the transmission of airborne pathogens, Republicans said masks will kill you and are illegal now. Democrats said “Don’t drink raw milk, it can transmit deadly diseases.” Republicans declare “You can take the raw milk from my cold dead hands.”
I honestly expect that if Democrats released a PSA against jumping off cliffs onto jagged rocks, because the fall could be dangerous, Republicans would immediately start taking picture standing on the edges of cliffs with the caption of “Don’t tell me what to do.”
I said it a million times, if Obama simply came out in favor of lowering the minimum wage then we’d all have six figure salaries.
Humans are famously garbage at comprehending statistics, and most Darwin Award winning conservative behaviors are born of it.
Take any mundane thing that was part of a status quo of a previous era in recent memory. Anything at all. Research comes out suggesting that thing has a small, but non-negligible risk to be quite harmful. So we collectively shift to a new behavior that tries to eliminate the risk. A shift that, in most sane and civil peoples’ opinions, is so unobtrusively small that any theoretical benefit we’re trading away is probably well worth the risk elimination.
But oh, a certain group of people will bitch and moan and scream and piss all over themselves in rage over how you dared to take away something so integral to their culture and lifestyle! The risk aversion is never worth the vain fringe benefit of whatever perceived quality was lost because the risk is completely invisible until it actually hits them personally.
Milk used to taste so great! God’s gift to the world! Then we all started boiling it and now it tastes worse! And for what? Because a couple of weak-bodied cosmic lottery losers were getting a few tummy aches? The vast majority of us are all suffering over nothing! Life was so much better when we weren’t all scared of things that won’t happen! We did it for millennia and we turned out just fine!
Then you point out all the people actually getting hospitalized from pathogens in raw milk, the very thing we were trying to avoid in the first place, and if they even believe you at all they simply consider it an acceptable price to pay. Better to live in a rich and interesting society where you’re free to risk harming yourself and others than a milquetoast one where imperceptible threats have been preemptively eliminated at great cost.
And then they turn around and work to ban books that mention trans people or ban porn websites to save the children or some other dumb shit.
Yeah back in the 2000s my permaculture/crunchy granola/woo woo/socially conservative/Catholic friend liked raw milk because of the health benefits, live cultures, etc., and believed that it was worth the risk that someone, somewhere, might get sick. But he’d be ok though because he knew and trusted His Farm.
I didn’t agree with him but I was tempted.
Imo if something can’t be regulated to within acceptable risk, it’s probably too dangerous.
That’s why Alex Honnold can go free solo a cliff because he’s only risking himself and his family’s future without him, but selling raw milk puts a lot more people at risk.
Imagine being so vapid that the extent of your understanding of the world boils down to just being contrarian.
It’s much easier than thinking.
Don’t get involved with people who enthusiastically shit on others’ ideas, while having none of their own. Can’t count how many times I’ve countered a complaint with “Ok, what would you do?” only to be met with those empty eyes that tell you there’s nothing happening behind them.
Some people just think conversation is defined as bitching.
I feel like most of the time they don’t even know the actual implications of what they’re saying, but are simply repeating the thing that they heard on the radio or Fox News. All they know is that the Democrats don’t like whatever it is, and that’s all that matters to them.
I mean, we could at least try releasing that PSA.
Maybe take baby steps first, like “you should never cross a street with heavy traffic”, “looking down the barrel of your gun is too dangerous” and “eating poop is nasty”
There might be one or two far leftists here. Seriously curious, does anyone here think drinking raw cow’s milk is a good idea? Why?
Tastes better. Probiotic, so can be healthier. Risk is very low of contamination, low enough that the mandate for pasteurized milk was kinda overblown, but technically safer.
I find the posturing the funniest. Conservatives trying to act tough by drinking raw milk is hilariously tame. It’s like being proud of not wearing sun screen when mowing the lawn. Like, that’s arguably fine either way, but sunscreen is a little safer but…why would you brag about that?
Probiotic, so can be healthier
Objectively not true. Zero actual evidence to support that. Also probiotic in itself is not a real thing and the only scientifically probiotic thing is fiber, any fiber because unsurprisingly to care for your bacteria you… need to feed and protect them not introduce more fuckboy dudes coming in trying to fuck shit up lol.
I think the foothold thought was that pasteurization destroys more than just bacteria, and milk might be healthier and/or tastier without having been changed by that process. Of course taste is largely culturally acquired - example A being Germans and UHT milk - but lots of people fancy themselves taste-o-philes.
Then the mistrust of “them” kicked in, and if “they” said the risk of pathogenic bacteria far outweighed any marginal health benefit, the “truth” must be the opposite.
It’s easier too if you’re the one milking, with the exception that pasteurization also extends shelf life
The alt right crowd are weird as shit. Nobody gave a fuck about “raw milk” until the last year or so.
I’ve seen signs for raw milk in the UK now. The local Facebook groups have tinfoil hat types who think there’s a giant conspiracy about Arla (huge milk wholesaler) milk not selling, and taking photos of milk in shops to “prove” it…
The world seems to be in a mental health crisis, and while I’m not suggesting reopening Bedlam lunatic asylum we should probably pay some attention to this. Social media has a lot to answer for
I work at a tailgate market in a left leaning area. There’s always one or two people who come looking for raw milk and I have to explain that the milk we sell is UV pasteurized instead of heat pasteurized, so the proteins are more intact. They’re never satisfied with that. They tend to have accents, so I assume they use to get raw milk in their country, but in their country, the milk isn’t being mixed from hundreds of cows, possible from completely different farms, so the rick of contamination is much lower where they’re from.
I tell them to find a farm and tell them you want to make cheese. It’s not my problem if they want to make themselves sick.
People who make cheese as a hobby have called for the ability to buy raw milk for years.
That said alot of people in the hobby also confuse pasteurization with homogenization. I can get cheese almost as good as raw milk by mixing pasturized skim and heavy cream together. Trying to use Homogenized milk results in a mess.
I feel like it used to be a super far left thing but the spectrum is a horseshoe as I’m sure you know. I also think it comes a bit from the prepper community which tends to be “libertarian”
Because our ancestors did it and they were strong Chads.
I think it was originally a “do we really need the government to mandate this” when they were appealing to the idea of like, a small family farm with people idyllically milking a single cow into a bucket. Then that idea morphed into an actual advocacy of drinking it when it got combined with the sort of “crunchy” “paleo” pseudoscience “health nut” movements.
“Louis Pasteur was a fascist in line with the new world order!” -Big D
We should have a weekly celebration where conservatives drink raw milk together. Just guzzle it all down you idiots.
As someone who stopped drinking raw milk as soon as I became aware of the bird flu issue they have whatever happens to them coming. They’re incredibly goddamn stupid.
I just like non homogenized milk, it’s hard to find pasteurized. Nothing worth dying over ffs.
Your user name is perfect for this comment.
They richly deserve tuberculosis. Too bad it’ll also afflict innocent people.
I hear the “deep state” wants to stop you from eating rotting food. You’re not going to let a bunch of scientists and health department officials tell you what to eat, are you?
/s just in case.
It’s just a different kind of cheese! Cabbage cheese, lettuce cheese, raw ground beef cheese. A bunch of libs ain’t gonna tell me what’s good for me. I’ve got Jesus in my court!
If they want to drink raw milk and cough their lungs out; I am not going to stop them. The conservatives clearly wish to be left alone in their stupidity and lack of education, and we can’t force them to pursue knowledge.
I also suspect that the bird flu (H5N1) is not (as of yet, at the time this post was written…) likely to mutate to spread in a human-to-human context. It’s not impossible for it to do so though…but the mutation(s) have not yet reached a point where humans can pass it on to each other by breathing the same air; I would guess that a significant contact (Like breathing, eating or touching a very very very large amount of a bodily output that contains the virus) is likely needed to spread that virus; as that’s how it’s spread from animal to human so far. TL;DR: I could be wrong; but I don’t believe it’s capable of a pandemic yet. Science has not yet presented enough strong evidence that this is spreading from person to person. I welcome any citations to prove that wrong however. Thankfully I’m not conservative, and do welcome being shown that my suppositions are indeed wrong; as long as it’s done respectfully.
This goes beyond “show you sources” to “you need classes in genetics, microbiology, organic evolution, and maybe statistics”. For what it’s worth, I’m an educated and experienced microbiologist with experience in public health. I’m not sure how to cite what’s effectively a semester of college education and four textbooks into one comment. I can explain the basics and you can verify details if you’d like. I am more than happy to answer questions and point you towards where you might find more information on specific topics but citations for all of this would be a huge endeavor.
There are two main reasons H5N1 isn’t human-to-human: specificity and, by its effect, low transmission. I’ll try to keep this super high level.
Regarding specificity, viruses don’t infect cells at random. Instead, there’s basically a “lock and key” effect where the virus attaches to an external component (receptor) of the soon-to-be infected cell, then it releases its genetic payload. Much like how it’s pretty easy to pick most locks, it doesn’t need to be a perfect match, just close enough to get the job done.
This is how you get some splash over between species, as there’s variation in both the virus and potential receptors due to mutation, and through random chance you might get a good enough match. The more exposure a virus has to potential receptors, the more likely it is that this will happen. If it happens, the particular mutation making this possible will be selected for in that individual or population, creating many more copies of a mutation that otherwise may have just died out. This is exactly what happens when a human gets infected with a zoonotic virus.
Next we have transmission. Not all cells in the human body have the same receptors, so viruses can infect different parts of the body. This is partly why people get “head colds” and “stomach bugs” - that’s the region with the most cells with the target receptor. H5N1 isn’t particularly good at infecting human airway cells, so infected humans are fairly well dead ends as this blocks airborne transmission, its primary mode of spread.
Currently, H5N1 is one point mutation, vastly the most common type of mutation, away from switching specificity to humans and infecting our airways. This is incredibly small and viruses churn out point mutations like crazy. Every time some dingus swills down raw milk, we’re rolling evolution’s random chance mutation dice. If just one virion has that single mutation and successfully infects that moron’s airway, it’s game on for a potential new pandemic. Evolution is just a numbers game and the more chances you give it, the more likely it is to happen.
The conservatives clearly wish to be left alone in their stupidity
No, no they do not. They feel compelled to force their stupidity on everyone. I guarantee you, there will be bills brought to the floor that require raw milk to be served at elementary schools.
there will be bills brought to the floor that require raw milk to be served at elementary schools.
So prove that is what they are doing. Otherwise your argument is just pure hyperbole. I get that conservatives are dangerously stupid; but don’t spread falsehoods; that’s how they get a turn at the stump to convince more people to join their stupid cause.
Prove that there will be bills brought to the floor?
Are you aware of the concept of cause and effect? Or maybe you have a time machine or something?
I didn’t say they are doing it, I said they will. It’s a prediction of the future based on past behavior. Only time will tell if my prediction is correct.
I also suspect that the bird flu (H5N1) is not (as of yet, at the time this post was written…) likely to mutate to spread in a human-to-human context.
If you are infected with multiple flu strains at the same time, the viruses can recombine and yield a new strain. That is substantially more chance to get a human-to-human transmissible H5N1 than just by mutation alone (which is still something that should not be underestimated - flu mutates like crazy). There is a reason why virologists warn about H5N1 as the likely candidate for the next pandemic.
Just because it can, does not mean it will. I’ve yet to see any hard evidence of probabilities either; but I welcome any evidence one might present to that effect. I am always skeptical of science news reporting; as oftentimes they blow things out of proportion.
Just because my house can burn down, doesn’t mean it will, so fire extinguishers and smoke detectors are just a waste of money.
Is the probability zero?
No?
Then if enough people get infected, it absolutely will.
H5N1 isn’t going to be the last virus. The next time they cough their lungs out, it could be contagious.
Adult humans should not be drinking milk in liquid form in any way.
If you mean biologically- the ones without lactose tolerance, sure. The ones with lactose tolerance evolved to do so.
Morally is a different story, although even there, I don’t really see a problem with a subsistence farmer living off of cow and goat’s milk. Factory dairy farming is another issue.
Even without lactose tolerance, mankind found a way to keep drinking milk. I really want to experiment mongolian kumis/airag someday
I was just listening to the amazing Fall of Civilizations podcast’s epic 6 hour and 45 minute episode on the Mongols and it comes up multiple times.
I only drink my milk in a solid state
I too enjoy cheese
Average lactose intolerant L
“Why Tommy, what have you been reading?”
I use milk so infrequently that I get the powdered milk and mix up however much I need when I’m cooking.
Okay so they’re not getting vaccinated and now they’re guzzling unpasteurised milk whilst cattle all over the US are dying of this latest bird flu?
I’m starting to think this right-wing shift might sort itself out
(Before anyone says, I know this is very bad for avoiding another pandemic which won’t care about how you vote)
That’s what people said during Covid. The strongest dumbs still survived.
That’s because the death rate for these sorts of problems is very low and at best is a very weak evolutionary pressure which won’t yield results for many generations. Additionally, the heritability of medical stupidity is very questionable.
No, we made the mistake of doing everything thing we could to make them get vaccinated.
Next time we know better.
New ad campaign:
“You survived COVID, even though the liberals tried to get you to vaccinate. You haven’t vaccinated to this day because you have an immune system. You’re conservative and strong. So when the liberals try again with bird flu, monkey pox, or whatever animal disease they come up with next, just tell them, ‘No thank you.’” Make sure the video playing along with the words shows strong manly men - white, of course - with rugged good looks, wearing outdoorsy clothes, doing manly stuff. Guaranteed to convince a bunch of insecure conservative douchebags not to vaccinate. Again.
let those children be unvaccinated then you won’t have to worry about them in the future either
You don’t really need the bird flu in that mix, even. Pasteurization was a huge public health win.
What next, fridges are woke nanny state inventions and real red-blooded Americans store all their food in room temperature, especially their raw milk and meat?
To be fair since Pasteur we have made enormous progress in refrigeration and supply lines, so if the cow is healthy, and the raw milk is fresh, you should be fine. The main issue is that you should treat the milk in your fridge like something that spoils quickly (like fish), rather than something that can stay in the fridge safely for a week or two. Of course if the cow is sick none of this applies, so it has to come from a trusted source.
TLDR; raw milk can be okay if you are taking far more precautions than you normally would with milk.
Nah, fridges are convenient. That’s what makes the beer taste good!
There is a definite interest in learning older preservation techniques. I’m not sure how it lines up with political beliefs, though. For any that do, the big trick was salt - lots of salt. If they are above a certain age, it’s likely to do some damage based on the rest of our modern lifestyle.
Well I am progressive as fuck politically and somewhat crunchy lifestyle -wise. Garden, ferment things, have made bread exclusively from sourdough for about 15 years now, really enjoy fermented foods like kimchi and pickles and sauerkraut.
The other fermenter in our family is the literal racist uncle, he makes incredible homemade foods, raised me a turkey for Thanksgiving one year, even.
Both of us came to it from a culinary background, not a political one, a way to get good food. I don’t think it maps well, but there is certainly a subset of crunchy lifestyle people who started out progressive and were coopted by the right wing.
There are some more ways, usually involving fermentation. Us arctic types know some methods. But I get the impression rakfisk, lutefisk, hákarl, surströmming and kiviak would have caught on as exports by now if they were actually something humans in general were interested in eating, rather than the descendants of very specific kinds of desperate people.
[…]would have caught on as exports by now if they were actually something humans in general were interested in eating, rather than the descendants of very specific kinds of desperate people.
That’s the most eloquent thing I’ve read this week.
very specific kinds of desperate people
Me who honestly enjoyed surströmming…
Nothing to be ashamed about! There’s lots of stuff around the world that some people love but the majority shy away from. All the rest of us can ask is that you enjoy it responsibly and don’t bother other people with the smell. :)
It is an acquired taste for some
Food preservation lines up very well with conservative and libertarian plans. I even know if your number of Democrats that enjoy preserving food. Dehydrating, canning, pickling or all cheap and easy. The more extremes in conservative and libertarian also seemed to like freeze drying. I have to admit I kind of like freeze drying myself but the machine is so freaking expensive and then it consumes so much power, you can literally buy commercially freeze dried food cheaper than you can make it yourself and that does not get better at any reasonable home scale.
Not using dented / bulging cans is a conspiracy.
Call it evolution in action.
We need to tell them about the health benefits of Jonestown Koolaid.
Darwinism goes hard when it benefits the left
EDIT: Luigi wins by doing absolutely nothing
Are they or is that just what the media wants us to believe? I hear the “left” is obsessed with all kinds of things too yet I never seem to encounter these people outside of social media.
I cant help but remember Amanda Bynes whenever I read MAHA
