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☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml to Memes@lemmy.mlEnglish · 7 months ago

Those evil socialists are hiding their homeless in homes

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Those evil socialists are hiding their homeless in homes

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☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml to Memes@lemmy.mlEnglish · 7 months ago
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  • nebula42@lemmy.zip
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    wait I’m confused how is the top middle picture anti-homeless architecture

    • Frog@lemmy.ca
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      Homeless people sleep on the vents for warmth.

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        The vents are still accessible though? And you have these nifty mannequins to hang your stuff?

        Edit: honest question, possibly unnecessary joke.

        • davel [he/him]@lemmy.ml
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          Let them eat cake. Try sleeping on them and report back to us. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hostile_architecture

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            I feel like we’re talking past each other. I’m wondering how the weird human-shaped things added on top of the vents constitute hostile architecture - how are they meant to to discourage people from sleeping there? This is me trying to learn, I’m very aware that sleeping on vents isn’t exactly comfortable but how do these things make it less so?

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              I see what you’re digging at, I was confused by them too. Hostile architecture meets just plain terrible design?

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                Right? It looks like there was an attempt (gold star) at hostility but they still wanted it to look somewhat aesthetically pleasing and mostly forgot about the hostile part? Or maybe I’m just not seeing most of the hostile part, that’s what I’m trying to figure out.

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                  Nah I think you got it. Veiling art as hostile architecture is fairly common so I think the artist lead took over and they forgot the intent of ruining someone’s ability to sleep haha

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              You’d probably have to lie between them instead of just looking at a photo, to assess if it’s still possible.

              Clearly they were put there with the intention of making it difficult/uncomfortable to lie down on the subway vent. If they were installed incompetently that doesn’t make them unhostile though, it just makes them ineffective for their obviously intended purpose.

            • davel [he/him]@lemmy.ml
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              how do these things make it less [comfortable]?

              You already answered your own question:

              weird human-shaped things added on top of the vents

              It’s hard to believe you’re not trolling.

              https://www.azuremagazine.com/article/unpleasant-design-hostile-architecture/

              I also came across some inventive designs that I haven’t seen elsewhere, such as metal silhouettes soldered on top of warm ventilation exhausts at a CTrain station (below), a place where you could consider camping for the night.

              Metal silhouettes prevent homeless people from sleeping over these CTrain grates in Calgary.

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                I really doubt they’re trolling, it’s a real question. A person can clearly fit between the gaps and sleep.

                It would block things like tents and mattresses, but it’s reasonable [edit: even if ignorant] to ask how it works if it doesn’t obstruct a sleeping person. For what it’s worth, in my city, it’s rare to see tents or even mattresses, usually just blankets and shopping carts.

                Try sleeping on them and report back to us.

                No need for that kind of talk, it’s as pointless as saying “Go there and prove you can’t sleep on them”.

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                It’s hard to believe you’re not trolling.

                I swear I’m not. It’s entirely possible that I’m being slow, but I’m really just trying to understand so I can identify these things better in the future. Because I seriously don’t get it, there’s still plenty of room to lie down between them?

                • davel [he/him]@lemmy.ml
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                  I think you’re confusing real life homelessness with a cartoon of a drunk who lies down to sleep it off for the night.

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                  Part of the hostile architecture is the hostility you receive by asking about how it is hostile.

                  I immediately wondered the same thing so, it’s not you. The angry replies are because some people are just always looking for something/someone to be mad at.

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          You can’t put a tent or sprawl out on them anymore.

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      They look human like, maybe they are meant to cast a shadow or something to make people uncomfortable like somebody is watching?

  • davel [he/him]@lemmy.ml
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    There’s a literal glowie downvoting every socialist thing 😂

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      You dropped this sir

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        Have you considered that, as an admin, I have access to information about votes and user accounts that you don’t?

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    then why has china got so many homeless people?

    • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlOP
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      huh?

      However, the people of China can afford to buy these extremely expensive properties. In fact, 90% of families in the country own their home, giving China one of the highest home ownership rates in the world. What’s more is that 80% of these homes are owned outright, without mortgages or any other leans.

      https://www.forbes.com/sites/wadeshepard/2016/03/30/how-people-in-china-afford-their-outrageously-expensive-homes

      • Delzur@vegantheoryclub.org
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        Nice, but not related. See that comment

        • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlOP
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          maybe you should read the reply to that comment

          • Delzur@vegantheoryclub.org
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            Don’t worry I get notificatons

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      It doesn’t, I have no idea where you’re getting that from. China eliminated urban poverty over a decade ago (~2013), and rural poverty is nearly eliminated. Source.

      Over the past 40 years, the number of people in China with incomes below $1.90 per day – the International Poverty Line as defined by the World Bank to track global extreme poverty– has fallen by close to 800 million. With this, China has contributed close to three-quarters of the global reduction in the number of people living in extreme poverty. At China’s current national poverty line, the number of poor fell by 770 million over the same period.

      Another anti-China western source because we know white supremacists wouldn’t accept any Chinese source about their poverty alleviation campaigns.

    • GHiLA@sh.itjust.worksBanned
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      If China is socialist then Lipton is tea.

      Look into the country on the shallowest level. They have socialist programs but, honestly…

      • theonlytruescotsman@sh.itjust.worksBanned
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        China is socialist. Socialist countries can have market economies and even capitalist economies, as long as the dictatorship of the proletariat ultimately controls all of the economy. Just a reminder China’s killed multiple billionaires.

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      What is “so many”? Compared to whom?

    • explodicle@sh.itjust.works
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      Not actually democratic, thus not socialist.

      • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlOP
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        seems like people who actually live in China disagree with you champ

        • https://www.newsweek.com/most-china-call-their-nation-democracy-most-us-say-america-isnt-1711176
        • https://www.csmonitor.com/World/Asia-Pacific/2021/0218/Vilified-abroad-popular-at-home-China-s-Communist-Party-at-100
        • https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-06-26/which-nations-are-democracies-some-citizens-might-disagree
        • https://web.archive.org/web/20230511041927/https://6389062.fs1.hubspotusercontent-na1.net/hubfs/6389062/Canva images/Democracy Perception Index 2023.pdf
        • https://www.tbsnews.net/world/china-more-democratic-america-say-people-98686
        • https://web.archive.org/web/20201229132410/https://en.news-front.info/2020/06/27/studies-have-shown-that-china-is-more-democratic-than-the-united-states-russia-is-nearby-and-ukraine-is-at-the-bottom/
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          Most Americans think that too

          • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlOP
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            They don’t as the links I provided clearly show. Maybe actually look at the sources before replying.

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              That’s a gish gallop, and the core premise that people believing it’s democratic makes it so is incorrect.

              ~Edit: added link~

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                The very first article yogthos showed you, had a poll that showed half of usonians don’t think their country is a democracy (they’re right)

                The US congress, its highest governing body, hasn’t gotten over a 20% approval rating for many years.

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                  You’re deliberately avoiding the core premise that people thinking it’s democratic means it’s democratic.

              • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlOP
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                🤡

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                  Good talk

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