• LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net
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    It’s weird how borders can move around on their own without any action from anyone.

    Edit: On a more serious note, where exactly does this type of bias come from? I don’t think of the AP as a highly ideological organization but is there some top-down pressure to frame things in a certain way? Does it come from the outside? Or is it just the prejudices of individual journalists and editors at play?

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      Israel doesn’t actively do anything, they are to be referred to in the passive voice only. Russia is the one who invades, shoots and kills people. Bullets fly into the heads of Palestinians and Israeli borders move, no responsibility here.

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      Israel has several lobbying organizations that watch news organizations and lodge complaints with them if coverage isn’t favorable. Check out the ex CNN employee who recently said they literally couldn’t publish without Isreal’s permission.

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      While the current events are not great, Israel’s border has changed through military engagements where it was on the defensive/being invaded.

      Also, while it could be debated they were in the wrong then too, they did take some land as buffer regions because they were being repeatedly attacked.

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        That was decades ago and not all the situation here. Israel just took land because Syria couldn’t stop them and no one else will either. Also, being invaded doesn’t justify ethnic cleansing anyway.

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          The article is about Israel’s entire history, not just recent events. Which is why I thought the context mattered.

          But you’re right about the current situation.

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      Manufacturing Consent

      The essential ingredients of our propaganda model, or set of news “filters,” fall under the following headings: (I) the size, concentrated ownership, owner wealth, and profit orientation of the dominant mass-media firms; (~) advertising as the primary income source of the mass media; (3) the reliance of the media on information provided by government, business, and “experts” funded and approved by these primary sources and agents of power; (4) “flak” as a means of disciplining the media; and (5) “anticommunism” as a national religion and control mechanism. These elements interact with and reinforce one another. The raw material of news must pass through successive filters, leaving only the cleansed residue fit to print. They fix the premises of discourse and interpretation, and the definition of what is newsworthy in the first place, and they explain the basis and operations of what amount to propaganda campaigns.

      https://chomsky.info/consent01/

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      Sometimes because the paper is financed/owned by some party that profits off of the colonial & genocidal project, sometimes because the paper gets scoops from 3 letter agencies who make such requests in return for scoops, sometimes it’s racism that the writer might not even aware of, but most often it’s a combination of those.

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        I guess I was wondering if there’s specific evidence of the way it works in this particular case. The AP is a non-profit, so it doesn’t have the same structure as a privately or publicly owned firm. But of course, there’s still the possibility of leadership imposing views onto its workers, though I think that’s a little more challenging with a nonprofit. But I am curious about them because they are the source of a large amount of news published by other sources, so if they are biased then that bias infects the rest of the media whether they want it or not.

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          I don’t know about AP specifically, but it’s a good question.

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      Formal annexation by Russia happened significantly later than occupation of the land. Israel is at the ‘occupation of the land’ stage.

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        OK but come on, are you really implying that the framing is the same here? And we all knew what Russia planned back then and we know what Israel plans today. Do you think when it’s “official” we’ll see the headline on the left for Israel? I don’t think so.

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          Right now one is heavily speculatory and based on ongoing and disputed events (ie the fact that Israel and its allies will lie through their teeth, same as Russia did, about their intentions until the last moment); the other was a pretty firm event quite literally being acknowledged by the perpetrator. Not only that, but outright annexation is not definitely the intention of Israel - it may be that they want more territory to engage in ‘frozen conflict’ style ‘diplomacy’, the same as Russia did with the Donbass for nearly a decade.

          For most news sources, it would be reasonable to speculate that there’s a strong pro-Israel bias. AP is generally pretty aggressively anodyne, though. If there’s a pro-Israel bias, it’s likely not a strong one.

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      There’s an inherent bias towards treating government statements as fact (whether that’s police, government officials or military spokesmen). When the other side is a ‘terrorist organisation’ or a ‘community leader’, they’re automatically treated as biased and suspicious. It’s a pattern you see with Israel, police shootings, etc.

      Obviously when the country in question isn’t aligned with the West (Russia, China, etc), the qualifiers and doubt comes creeping back in, and journalists will include examples of past lies to underscore the point, which you’ll never see in a story about the NYPD or Matthew Miller.

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    To be fair, Israel has also lost territory that they previously stole in large amounts on the Lebanon front.

    Most of the land they’ve gained was in Palestine, but the USA and UK probably didn’t recognize the Palestinian statehood anyways.

    The pedantic difference here is like the difference between increasing and strictly increasing.

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    Disgusting, these media titans should be held accountable for manufacturing consent on genocide.

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    Edit: Well, as horrifying as it is to see how shallow folks understanding of history is, no one is paying me to be online and screaming against tiktok or whatever isn’t that much fun. G’night y’all!

    Unpopular opinion but do folks honestly not understand how those borders shifted? Mostly because a bunch of countries tried to murder the Jews and yeah, Israel took part of their land in the counter offensives.

    If Ukraine kept Kursk, I can’t imagine we’d really be complaining?

    Basically, if you launch a surprise war I think you forfeit the right to be surprised or angry when your land gets taken.

    Edit: Jesus, are the downvoters confused like the response below and think this is talking about Oct 7 as opposed to say, the repeated wars that actually changed the borders? Does TikTok not cover modern history or what?

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      This is if you view the Arab states as the aggressor in 1967 even though Israel was the one who initiated the conflict. If you see Israel as the aggressor in 1967 and the yom kipper war as a counter offensive to take back land that Israel had stolen then it becomes less justifiable.

      It’s more like Russia keeping the Donbas after it launched a “preemptive strike” because it was afraid Ukraine was gonna team up with nato to attack them. Then 5 years after trump forces Ukraine to make peace they launch an offensive into the donbas to take there land back, only to get repelled again.

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        I appreciate that! Honestly, it’s a little worrying how little historical context folks seem to have.

        Don’t know why I feel compelled to point it out other than being a glutton for punishment.

        Anyway, thanks!

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      Mostly because a bunch of countries tried to murder the Jews and yeah, Israel took part of their land in the counter offensives.

      Either your ignoring Israeli history older than the babies shot in Gaza, in which case you should finish your studies, or you think this applies throughout Israeli history, in which case you should start your studies.

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      Lemmy is anti Israel at best and absurdly anti semitic at worst. Palestine is schrodinger’s country. It exists at the 47 borders, despite the inhabitants at the time rejecting those borders and losing several wars about it.

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      Mostly because a bunch of countries tried to murder the Jews and yeah, Israel took part of their land in the counter offensives

      There’s that then-Israeli PM’s statement about how Israel knew Egypt and Syria weren’t going to start a war and yet attacked anyway, you can look it up.

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      How the fuck can a population that you’re killing and stealing the land from start a SURPRISE war?

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        I take it you have 0 knowledge of the Six Day or Yom Kippur wars? Which is how the borders in the headlines moved. I mean, heck, a lot of recent maps of Israel show in which war the territory was taken.

        I kinda guessed folks were ignorant of the history but come on, this is pretty basic stuff.

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          The existence of Israel as a settler-colonial entity nullifies any argument that any resistance in the area can be a “surprise”.

          It shouldn’t exist. It is all stolen land that they are continuing to steal.

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            I mean, Israel was taken from the Jews way back when so by your logic, aren’t they just taking back their land and thus, apparently according to you, allowed to do whatever?

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    All news should use neutal language.

    If journalist want to express their personal opinions, that’s what editorials are for.

    A simple rewrite of the article title on the left to: “Russia annexes formerly Ukrainian territory. Ukraine and NATO declares the act to be unlawful”. Like this is much better, less biased title. Don’t make the claim yourself, tell who is saying it.

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      Media uses that tactic often, where they always platform the statements by Israel (that are very frequently lies that aren’t challenged at all even though it would be very easy to) but much less frequently from Palestinian sources. This makes it really easy for Israel to spread its narrative while Palestinians remain unheard and misunderstood.