My favorite Steven Seagal story, from his Wikipedia page:
Seagal has been accused by former stunt performers who have worked with him, including Kane Hodder, Stephen Quadros, and Gene LeBell, of intentionally hitting stuntmen during scenes. Additionally, while serving as stunt coordinator for Out for Justice, LeBell allegedly got into an on-set altercation with Seagal over his mistreatment of some of the film’s stunt performers. After the actor claimed that, due to his aikido training, he was “immune” to being choked unconscious, LeBell offered Seagal the opportunity to prove it. LeBell is said to have placed his arms around Seagal’s neck, and once Seagal said “go”, proceeded to choke him unconscious, with Seagal losing control of his bowels. Seagal bodyguard and stuntman Steven Lambert stated he was present and said that a confrontation did happen, during which Seagal elbowed LeBell before he could lock the hold on Seagal, after which LeBell flipped Seagal.
Honestly, they both come across as Dumb & Dumber. LeBell surely didn’t have to actually prove such claim, but he still wanted to put Seagal to sleep, which could have ended in Seagal’s death. It’s literally a Jackass situation.
A movie producer I worked with in my time in the industry had done a movie with Segal in which Segal was to shoot a gun. Segal said he would only use a very specifically modified AR15. The production purchased the AR with all of the upgrades Segal requested. Segal fired it one time, said it was too loud and had too much kickback and he wanted to use a prop instead.
He said an AR-15 had too much recoil? Is he made of tissue paper, or did they mod it to fire artillery shells? Christ, one of the demos they did for us at our first live fire in basic training was having one of our fellow soldiers hold an M-16 stock UP TO HIS NUTS and fire it downrange to show just how little recoil they had. I’m not kidding, I personally witnessed this. I have also put at least 20,000 rounds through M-16’s and AR-15’s in my life. They don’t kick. Seagal is a pussy.
I was trained with the H&K G3 with a slide stock. It’s 7.62 and when I tried a 5.56 for the first time (a Swedish AK-5)I literally had to check to see if it did indeed shoot. There was no recoil from the 5.56. Never tried a M-16 apart from checking out the M-4 that the Rangers my squad was seconded to had (I was Norwegian Combat Engineer), no way that can kick to much.
M-4 / M-16 same difference. Unless it’s chambered in something other than 5.56 they all shoot the same. And yeah, it’s nothing like 7.62. As you are aware… you KNOW it when you’re firing 7.62!
It’s why they’re in common use and one of the best things for home defense. Basically anyone can handle one
Edit: ITT… people who think a shotgun with birdshot isn’t going through walls and is easier to use than a AR. In close distances, birdshot is a slug and will %100 go through walls.
A long gun is not good for home defense. A pistol is much better in CQC. Also a shotgun does require much less aiming in a high stress situation. You’re just being silly.
Also birdshot is not a slug. Those are literally two different things. That’s two different kinds of ammo, what are you talking about. A slug has way more mass, which is a hug factor in penetration. Wtf is this nonsense.
Source: bored out of my mind in the UMSC stained at 29 Palms and did Mohave Viper combat training stuff a ton. Try to clear a tight building with an AR and you realize how easy it is to just grab a barrel as you try to clear a room.
I have nothing to add besides the fact that I have been cut off by a USMC van in Morongo valley, they took me putting petal to the metal to get past them as a challenge. They money clutched.
Anyways 29 Palms is quite nice this time of year, I have to drive out to Joshua tree and the surrounding area for deliveries.
They didn’t teach you not to flag your barrel at the corners? Or you were using an M16 instead of an M4?
And at 10 meters you’re going to get about a 5 inch spread on that birdshot. At 3 meters (a standard 10x10 foot room) you’re looking at about 1.5 inch spread. At 1.5 inches it’s absolutely going to say hello to the next room over. Granted, an honest to god slug is going to go through the next 5 rooms at least.
Pistols are nice but actually require more training because people hold them wrong, sight them wrong, and reset them wrong, whereas a rifle or shotgun is a lot more intuitive as long as your target is reasonably close.
The conclusion is obvious. The best home defense weapon is a claymore mine rigged to your front and back doors with a poorly executed wire that taps a battery. Hopefully it only does it when the door opens. No worries about neighbors or missing the bad guy.
Source - Combat Infantry Badge, circa 2003 and way too much time being told I couldn’t do things I thought were perfectly reasonable.
I wouldn’t use an AR for home defense because I’m not interested in shooting through 4 walls and killing my neighbors kid by accident.
Have you ever shot a gun before? Drywall isn’t stopping shit. Handgun rounds go through walls easily.
I believe bird shot is enough of a deterrent for home defense and requires significantly less precision in a tense situation.
You shot to kill not wound, and a shotgun isn’t easier to use than an AR, on top of that birdshot is not fanning out at 10’ in your home… it’s basically a slug at that distance and will %100 go through drywall.
You’ve been reading some really FUDD shit if you believe anything you typed up.
Edit: lol at people upvoting that complete nonsense comment to this one. Please for the love of Cthulhu people don’t buy a shotgun and leave it in your home for home defense and do not load it with fucking birdshot…get a handgun if you’re afraid of an AR.
So you understand how birdshot is different than a FMJ? A pellet isn’t going through 3 walls, a FMJ is. There is massively more penetration and lethality after penetration. Have you ever shot a gun?
And yes a shotgun is much easier to use, are you crazy? You need much much much less accuracy. You literally can just aim down a hallway and get great coverage.
Holy fuck just stop … Birdshot as I have explained does not fan out. Stop watching cowboy movies. I own multiple shotguns in multiple different gauges and have my own range. I’ve been shooting probably longer than you have been alive. You clearly have never shot a shotgun and telling me you get great coverage down a hallway is complete nonsense, birdshot will not fan out down a hallway. The recoil and weight of a shotgun removes it as a good defense weapon for basically everyone but people who are physically strong. It’s a terrible home defense gun.
Did you all learn everything about firearms from Hollywood?
it’s basically a slug at that distance and will %100 go through drywall.
Hey it’s gotta go through some fiberglass, glued-together wood chips, and plastic siding too. They just need a few layers of wet tissue paper on there as well and they’ll be golden.
Now wondering if there are six-year-olds in Africa using M16/AR-15 style rifles as part of some warlord’s army. I guess they don’t get to go to kindergarten, though.
AK47, no US arms are there being used, it’s a popular rifle here, but anywhere else in the world its AKs and SKSs and Mosins. The amount of those variants built in the world is probably 5Xs the AR variants out there. The mosins alone are like 100+ million built.
On the other hand, when Seagal was asked about the incident, he directly denied the allegations, calling LeBell a “sick, pathological scumbag liar”, and offered the name of a witness who could prove LeBell had fabricated the entire story. The claim garnered a heated response from LeBell’s trainee Ronda Rousey, who said that Seagal was the one lying, and declared “If [Seagal] says anything bad about Gene to my face, I’d make him crap his pants a second time.”
I love this. If it were a lie, I’m certain he’d sue them for defamation. Honestly, they probably should have sued him for calling them liars. Make him go to court over it and get it all documented. That would be the funniest thing to happen.
My favorite Steven Seagal story, from his Wikipedia page:
Honestly, they both come across as Dumb & Dumber. LeBell surely didn’t have to actually prove such claim, but he still wanted to put Seagal to sleep, which could have ended in Seagal’s death. It’s literally a Jackass situation.
Haha oh wow… He not only failed to stay concious, but also shit himself in front of everyone. I love that for him.
Lost a scuffle to avoid getting choked, gets choked anyway. Shit self in the process. Classic Seagal.
Lol imagine thinking that aikido training means your brain doesn’t need oxygen.
Well, I would have guessed that less brain needs less oxygen, but I’m clearly wrong.
A movie producer I worked with in my time in the industry had done a movie with Segal in which Segal was to shoot a gun. Segal said he would only use a very specifically modified AR15. The production purchased the AR with all of the upgrades Segal requested. Segal fired it one time, said it was too loud and had too much kickback and he wanted to use a prop instead.
He said an AR-15 had too much recoil? Is he made of tissue paper, or did they mod it to fire artillery shells? Christ, one of the demos they did for us at our first live fire in basic training was having one of our fellow soldiers hold an M-16 stock UP TO HIS NUTS and fire it downrange to show just how little recoil they had. I’m not kidding, I personally witnessed this. I have also put at least 20,000 rounds through M-16’s and AR-15’s in my life. They don’t kick. Seagal is a pussy.
I was trained with the H&K G3 with a slide stock. It’s 7.62 and when I tried a 5.56 for the first time (a Swedish AK-5)I literally had to check to see if it did indeed shoot. There was no recoil from the 5.56. Never tried a M-16 apart from checking out the M-4 that the Rangers my squad was seconded to had (I was Norwegian Combat Engineer), no way that can kick to much.
M-4 / M-16 same difference. Unless it’s chambered in something other than 5.56 they all shoot the same. And yeah, it’s nothing like 7.62. As you are aware… you KNOW it when you’re firing 7.62!
It’s why they’re in common use and one of the best things for home defense. Basically anyone can handle one
Edit: ITT… people who think a shotgun with birdshot isn’t going through walls and is easier to use than a AR. In close distances, birdshot is a slug and will %100 go through walls.
A long gun is not good for home defense. A pistol is much better in CQC. Also a shotgun does require much less aiming in a high stress situation. You’re just being silly.
Also birdshot is not a slug. Those are literally two different things. That’s two different kinds of ammo, what are you talking about. A slug has way more mass, which is a hug factor in penetration. Wtf is this nonsense.
Source: bored out of my mind in the UMSC stained at 29 Palms and did Mohave Viper combat training stuff a ton. Try to clear a tight building with an AR and you realize how easy it is to just grab a barrel as you try to clear a room.
I have nothing to add besides the fact that I have been cut off by a USMC van in Morongo valley, they took me putting petal to the metal to get past them as a challenge. They money clutched.
Anyways 29 Palms is quite nice this time of year, I have to drive out to Joshua tree and the surrounding area for deliveries.
They didn’t teach you not to flag your barrel at the corners? Or you were using an M16 instead of an M4?
And at 10 meters you’re going to get about a 5 inch spread on that birdshot. At 3 meters (a standard 10x10 foot room) you’re looking at about 1.5 inch spread. At 1.5 inches it’s absolutely going to say hello to the next room over. Granted, an honest to god slug is going to go through the next 5 rooms at least.
Pistols are nice but actually require more training because people hold them wrong, sight them wrong, and reset them wrong, whereas a rifle or shotgun is a lot more intuitive as long as your target is reasonably close.
The conclusion is obvious. The best home defense weapon is a claymore mine rigged to your front and back doors with a poorly executed wire that taps a battery. Hopefully it only does it when the door opens. No worries about neighbors or missing the bad guy.
Source - Combat Infantry Badge, circa 2003 and way too much time being told I couldn’t do things I thought were perfectly reasonable.
I wouldn’t use an AR for home defense because I’m not interested in shooting through 4 walls and killing my neighbors kid by accident.
I believe bird shot is enough of a deterrent for home defense and requires significantly less precision in a tense situation.
Have you ever shot a gun before? Drywall isn’t stopping shit. Handgun rounds go through walls easily.
You shot to kill not wound, and a shotgun isn’t easier to use than an AR, on top of that birdshot is not fanning out at 10’ in your home… it’s basically a slug at that distance and will %100 go through drywall.
You’ve been reading some really FUDD shit if you believe anything you typed up.
Edit: lol at people upvoting that complete nonsense comment to this one. Please for the love of Cthulhu people don’t buy a shotgun and leave it in your home for home defense and do not load it with fucking birdshot…get a handgun if you’re afraid of an AR.
So you understand how birdshot is different than a FMJ? A pellet isn’t going through 3 walls, a FMJ is. There is massively more penetration and lethality after penetration. Have you ever shot a gun?
And yes a shotgun is much easier to use, are you crazy? You need much much much less accuracy. You literally can just aim down a hallway and get great coverage.
https://youtu.be/H6clay9pFaw?feature=shared
Holy fuck just stop … Birdshot as I have explained does not fan out. Stop watching cowboy movies. I own multiple shotguns in multiple different gauges and have my own range. I’ve been shooting probably longer than you have been alive. You clearly have never shot a shotgun and telling me you get great coverage down a hallway is complete nonsense, birdshot will not fan out down a hallway. The recoil and weight of a shotgun removes it as a good defense weapon for basically everyone but people who are physically strong. It’s a terrible home defense gun.
Did you all learn everything about firearms from Hollywood?
Hey it’s gotta go through some fiberglass, glued-together wood chips, and plastic siding too. They just need a few layers of wet tissue paper on there as well and they’ll be golden.
Don’t forget the wallpaper, it’ll totally stop the fanned out pellets, they’re like BBs, they’re just gonna sting when they hit the inturder…lol
Except for kindergartners
Now wondering if there are six-year-olds in Africa using M16/AR-15 style rifles as part of some warlord’s army. I guess they don’t get to go to kindergarten, though.
AK47, no US arms are there being used, it’s a popular rifle here, but anywhere else in the world its AKs and SKSs and Mosins. The amount of those variants built in the world is probably 5Xs the AR variants out there. The mosins alone are like 100+ million built.
Do you know what happened to the gun afterwards?
He ate it, from what it looks like.
The producer has it.
It’s truly a gem of a story. I can only hope Seagal thinks of it frequently, and has yet to accept himself and heal.
I love this. If it were a lie, I’m certain he’d sue them for defamation. Honestly, they probably should have sued him for calling them liars. Make him go to court over it and get it all documented. That would be the funniest thing to happen.
Rereading this makes me want to hug someone. It’s like a blanket straight from the dryer. Thank you
Based on the picture it looks like he vowed to never take another shit for the rest of his life.
The champion of No Shit September.
I’m just using your story as an excuse to promote Bobby Fingers. Check out a diorama on the confrontation.
https://youtu.be/3aCMTpJx2cs
You can not go wrong with Bobby Fingers.
I’m glad you did. What craftsmanship!
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