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Summary
Senator Bernie Sanders is intensifying his fight against U.S. oligarchy, targeting wealthy individuals like Elon Musk, Jeff Bezos, and Mark Zuckerberg.
Sanders argues that these billionaires manipulate the global economy, influence elections, and control the government, hindering democracy and exacerbating global inequality.
He believes this issue is crucial, impacting various aspects of society, including climate change, healthcare, worker protections, and poverty.
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In the sense that it’s part of how we handle climate change, and part of how we handle covid + other diseases + future pandemics properly, yes.
Yes it’s very important to get your leg unstuck but yes your house is still on fire even if you do.
Idk I think it makes perfect sense. Think of the oligarchs as someone actively firebombing the house in your analogy. It’s not just about getting the leg unstuck but stopping the ones causing the biggest issue
Narrator: They didn’t.
He’s correct
If we ever take control of government again, we need to do a “Defensive Democracy” approach. Rich people need to be banned from politics.
I love Bernie, but it’s hard not to just feel utterly hopeless when you see how Elon basically bought the government and we see the other oligarchs flying down to mar-a-swampo to kiss donvict’s ring.
Putin’s oligarchy is here.
It is amazing how quickly the elite is closing ranks around the Trump government this time around. This includes essentially all major media, billionaires and even some Democrats. Completely different from the first term when we immediately saw a major resistance movement.
Realistically he will end the Ukraine war (since Ukraine has to cede land without US support), and it’s likely that investment will skyrocket (as tariffs make it too costly to import). The same will happen to inflation and inequality (but we won’t see that in the media). Let’s not even think about minorities and women. My worst fear of competently-looking facism may well be on the way.
Tariffs will not significantly increase domestic investment. The US is at its maximum employment and that’s without deporting people. Who will even work in those factories?
Not to mention American labor means that products made here are at least double the price. So no it’s smarter to just raise your prices 20-30% than build a factory that will also have raw material costs 20-30% higher anyways.
There’s some fictional reality where young people yearn for the factories. Ignoring the second half of the story where that actual generation dreamed of a world where their children didn’t have toil in manufacturing.
Also ignoring the fact that wages have been going up for lowest earners.
Ukraine has to cede land without US support
Seems like that’s going to be the best-case scenario for Ukraine. Worst case is the US starts supporting Putin instead.
Guess we know what to do now. Shoot his jet down
KS Robinson has the anonymous resistance send drones into plane engines shortly after takeoff, 6 private jets in one day. Things change in the novel quickly after that.
Much easier just to shoot the individual than the plane I think. Maybe I’m wrong. I imagine a 50 cal sniper would fuck up a plane. But planes can glide. Hypothetically speaking.
Jon Stewart & Bernie Sanders on Rebuilding Trust & Efficacy in the Government | The Weekly Show
Yeah, Bernie just said Depose.
Looks like it’s up to us to Defend
I can’t Deny that. but, how do we get within 50 yards?
50 yards isn’t far. Neither is 100 yards.
Still not the answer
It’s getting to the point that there only seems one answer. Name another.
The question is how to get within 50 yards. It’s not metaphorical.
I mean like any heist movie you just have to post up and stake out places until you know routines. Also, social engineering.
As someone not from the US (but who has lived/worked/studied in the US), Sanders seems like the only member of the US upper house that is willing to speak honestly and engage in haram speech that goes against local provincial orthodoxy.
I was particularly intrigued by an article that claimed that Sanders was the only “outsider” in the US upper house and that all other senators were more or less on friendly terms (with the implication being that their polemics are a ruse). Unfortunately I can’t find the article.
Sanders seems like the only member of the US upper house that is willing to speak honestly and engage in haram speech that goes against local provincial orthodoxy.
He is, and he’s loved by millions of Americans for it, and also hated by essentially the entire political establishment for it.
all other senators were more or less on friendly terms
This is true for the parties as a whole. They are far too comfortable trading positions of power between themselves because they’re all interested in keeping themselves in the ranks of the privileged. Neither party is willing to make any serious changes that would risk upsetting the balance for the greater good. They don’t want change. Not actual meaningful change.
They have their elections and one party rules for a while before switching to the other, but the poor remain poor and the powerless remain powerless. Meanwhile they keep (or expand) their wealth and influence.
They may oppose each other in some ideologies, but make no mistake that they’re on the same side when it comes to their own privilege.
Bernie is on the outside of this, which is why they will keep him down at all costs. He’s a threat to their power structure.
As someone not from the US (but who has lived/worked/studied in the US), Sanders seems like the only member of the US upper house that is willing to speak honestly and engage in haram speech that goes against local provincial orthodoxy.
As someone from the US, Sanders seems exactly like this to me, also.
Apologies if you already know this, but Sanders is not a Democrat. He caucuses with them and runs as a Democrat, but he’s not a member of the Democratic Party. Depending on the article they may have been referring to that. (IMO this is one of many reasons the DNC ensured he couldn’t get the nomination in 2016 and 2020.)
It’s honestly too bad he is not in his 40s. At the risk of being overly presumptuous, I will speculate that he would be a good leader for the US and the “free world”.
Who are the younger politicians he is mentoring to carry the torch? I wish my home country had someone like him to follow and support.
AOC. She entered Congress in 2018 and was inspired by Sanders and shares his philosophy. She is the next iteration of him for sure.
The rest of the squad too, to varying degrees. He’s also been stumping for and both officially and unofficially advising many state and local level progressive hopefuls.
And that’s not even counting how many he’s simply inspired to run for office or otherwise help improve things with his “Not me, us” campaigns that almost succeeded in overturning the relentless propaganda machine of what’s probably the richest political party in the world when not counting one party states.
The rest of the squad too, to varying degrees. He’s also been stumping for and both officially and unofficially advising many state and local level progressive hopefuls.
I think that centrist Democrats were so on board with Netanyahu’s genocide in exchange for AIPAC heavily funding opponents to progressives, and members of the squad in particular.
Nah, “centrist” (actually center right to right wing) politicians were already all in on zionism.
Their AIPAC owner donors going after the progressive rivals that expose how fundamentally dishonest and corrupt they are was just an extra bonus for them.
It’d be helpful for AOC to walk this back now that Harris is gone. And not repeat it if she wants to be president someday: https://electronicintifada.net/content/aoc-votes-back-israel-lobbys-bogus-anti-semitism-definition/50066
The progressive caucus, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congressional_Progressive_Caucus
Because of the two party system each party is composed of a coalition of political caucuses. Progressive policy is popular among the US working class when not packaged as an ism or ist, so it has a strong position in the house and basically no support in the senate.
Fastest way to lose your typical American living pay-to-pay is to start talking about how privileged they are. I’m glad people seem to have finally caught on to that, took long enough.
No such thing.
Apologies if you already know this, but Sanders is not a Democrat.
Yeah, that’s still a sore spot since it was one of the justifications given by centrists for how they were fine with him getting ratfucked in 2016.
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all other senators were more or less on friendly terms
Except for Ted Cruz. Everyone hates Ted Cruz.
Al Franken likes Ted Cruz more than most people, and he hates Ted Cruz.
Have you ever examined your own biases, or the biases of the American social media that you’re exposed to?
I try to. I will admit, it can be difficult.
Anything specific you are referring to?
Yeah, the “only Bernie loves us” bullshit.
Here are ratings from the AFL-CIO, America’s union federation, where you can find the current year and lifetime ratings of all US Senators.
Bernie has a 98%.
Twenty five Senate Democrats have higher pro-union ratings than him.
Damn, you think that’s a dunk? At 98% lifetime with 100% current, you think you might be splitting hairs a bit to make that sound bad?
Did you read the part where 25 Democratic Senators have higher lifetime ratings than him?
Anyway, the contention here is the stupid notion that the only “good” US Senator is Bernie.
Ahh, that’s a strawman. The person you are replying to never made that argument, you created that argument in your head because it was easier to defeat with this piece of information.
Sorry for disrupting your circlejerk!
Here, let me get into the mood:
The only thing we need to do is make Bernie president, then we’ll never have to think about politics ever again!
There’s no contention except what you’re creating it, no one’s said that at all and I see you’re trolling the rest of the thread. Get lost, troll.
As someone not from the US (but who has lived/worked/studied in the US), Sanders seems like the only member of the US upper house that is willing to speak honestly and engage in haram speech that goes against local provincial orthodoxy.
It seems to me he should continue to work with labor and student unions to organize a general strike for explicit, specific goals by a given deadline. The best tool the working class has to take power back from oligarchs is to coordinate stop working at the same time until demands are met, and it requires politicians and labor leaders like Sanders and Sean Fain to build and coordinate alliances across the workforce.
Yes this! I’ve been watching Bernie speak up about this. So far though, it’s just talk. Ranting. I’m looking forward to see what his plan of action is. I think gearing up towards a general strike, or threat thereof, is the only really tool we have given the incoming admin.
Sorry my misunderstanding. I would say if you are able to do what you need within 100 yards then you don’t need to get to within 50 yards.
Right again.
he literally IS the oligarchy. smh.
I do not think that word means what you think it means
It started off with rich, white cultists who took over disease ridden, Native American ghost towns. Close enough, though.
Too bad Bernie is a democrat. He will never be president.
Bernie isn’t a Democrat, he’s a registered independent who caucuses with the Democrats. That’s why the DNC hates him.
No, the DNC hates him because he’s to their left.
I keep seeing people call him a Democrat. It’s so annoying. Like this guy managed to get elected as an independent to the US Senate, a major accomplishment, because of his hard work and uncompromising values. Calling him a Democrat is insulting.
There’s nothing he can be to become president. Democrat was the only shot he ever had.
And the democrats failed all of us. Reason, and the appearance of hope has failed. All that’s left is reality, and the further rapid erosion of our systems under increasingly corrupt leadership that no longer feels that they should hide their indescretions.
He is independent. Literally not a democrat.
Clearly defeating oligarchy isnt his most urgant issue considering he could have made a workers party in 2016, 2020, and 2024 yet every time he backed the Democrat candidate. He willingly gave up the fight and deserves no pity or attention.
oh yeah. losing elections would have changed things greatly. no third party is going to pull enough from the two current parties,
The Dems lost anyway… If Bernie had started a party that did okay this time, it would do even better next time… Until it’s the Dems who are the “3rd party” and can either fall inline or get fucked
but the dems have won and a third party has never won and its bad enough having republicans in power half the time. having them in power for decades in the slight hope that they will be dethroned after that is the height of madness.
A third party has never been given a fair chance. Bernie is the first person in my lifetime who I think could pull it off… But he only has to get more people to sign up for his party than the Dems… 45m Dems, I think at least 15m go with Bernie… That would mean all he has to do is get 15m newbies to sign up… I think it’s doable, even if he actually had to get 25m.
all I know is it has not happened historically that I know of outside of the very founding of the nation before things settles down. Yeah the dominant ones morphed and sometimes changed name but it was not like an actual outside party became dominant. further I have had to live with the worse party being in power half the time for the last 50 years due to unsuccessful attempts and things have gotten worse and worse. A one step forward, two steps back scenario. I have said it before but its a choice of with or without lube. I get that some want to vote for no sodomy but having taken it without lube so much I am unwilling to not vote for with lube.
Considering Trump co-oped his rhetoric im pretty sure Bernie could have won without corporate support. He would have at least pushed the democrats to the left by threatening their left wing voter base. Or perhaps he would have convinced more people to vote who normally wouldnt have because the two options suck. Its easy for Bernie to say “wow I wish there was a workers party” but he literally could have made it and he has no excuse.
this same thing keeps being brought up with third party but it never happens. democrats lesson is the extreme left does not vote for them and going left does not help. Meanwhile rebublican administrations bring us more and more right and the dems oftentimes can’t even get us back to we were before another round of more right. could, perhaps but not really.
Ten million people didnt even bother to vote compared to 2020 and more roughly 33% of people didnt vote. Theoretically he could have won and not taken a single vote away from either party.
ten million would not have won and again taking any historical reality into consideration getting 100% of the possible eligible electorate is a pipe dream. I just can’t get behind something that has been shown not to work through all of history even though it has indeed been tried. I mean it did not even happen in the hippy erra when tune in, turn on, drop out was a slogan.
Historically it didnt work because nobody tried it and once again Bernie would have rather worked with the Democrat establishment then try to win.
It has been tried. continually. third parties are not a new recent thing. I mean the green party is about the environment which is the most significant problem in the world since the industrial revolution and has been recognized as significant since the 60’s politically and the party has existed in the us since the 80’s and its an international movement.
Not with that attitude.
yeah or the reality we face today. the fact that republicans win at all indicates the problem. Yeah democrats are not what we would exactly want but republicans have gotten crazy comic villian level of bad and they still get in. If republicans were losing pretty much every election there would be a chance of a third party gaining traction but as it stands its a non starter.
He needs to organize taking over the DNC and replacing the shills with real people. 3rd party can’t work unless the system is changed first.
He tried and failed, now hes begging people to forgive him
I think he’s begging people to continue trying the peaceful route… One of my biggest issues with him is that he never really seemed to fully grasp the true depths the oligarchy will stoop to, and what would be required to stop them… He did nothing to stop the Clinton people’s bullshit, as though his mind just would not allow him to believe they’d do it, just accepted Clinton’s bullshit “victory” without fighting. Maybe that’s it… He has all the right ideas, he’s just not willing to actually fight, get dirty, accept that when dealing with sociopaths you have to assume they’ll do anything and prepare/act accordingly. Idk
