Summary
Gen Z is increasingly relying on “buy now, pay later” (BNPL) services for holiday shopping, with spending projected to rise 11.4% this year, totaling $18.5 billion.
These services appeal to younger consumers with limited credit histories but can lead to overextension, as they lack centralized reporting and encourage overspending.
Experts warn of accumulating fees, particularly when BNPL plans are tied to credit cards.
With inflation and rising credit card debt already burdening Gen Z, consumer advocates caution that these services may worsen financial instability despite their convenience.
This is really interesting. Layaway purchases in stores used to be popular but went away in the late 90’s. It’s back now as BNPL, with much worse terms.
https://www.retailmenot.com/blog/walmart-layaway.html
Walmart actually just stopped layaway entirely in 2021 for BNPL.
Layaway purchases in stores used to be popular but went away in the late 90’s. It’s back now as BNPL, with much worse terms.
Lawaway is superior. Laywaway had zero interest charges. Some places charged a flat fee, but you also didn’t get your item until the full balance was paid. There’s no chance of a lawaway purchase spiraling into a huge expense. The expense is fixed at the time of layaway and never gets higher. Lawaway also builds the ability to delay gratification, which is an important life skill that is sometimes not common.
BNPL has none of that consumer protection.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but wasn’t the key difference in layaway that you didn’t have access to the item until it was paid off? I remember my mom putting holiday gifts on layaway at Walmart. They’d be kept in storage in the back of the store, and would be given over only after they were fully paid off.
Buy now/pay later plans allow the consumer access to the item now, with a payment plan to follow. It’s much more akin to credit than layaway.
Yes. You had the honor of reserving the item from sale by paying more. BNPL is like the boss in its final form. You can have but don’t own it. Maybe it’s more akin to old furniture places with leases.
I hate BNPY so much… I deleted my after pay account, which means I can no long use their services unless I get in contact with support to reopen my account. I did it to explicitly make it near impossible for me to be tempted. It worked. There were times I felt regret, but it was 100% the smartest move.
Then, PayPal introduced pay in 4… All my hard work went right down the drain. I can’t afford this shit but fuck it’s hard when you’re clinically depressed.
Services should be required to allow you to opt out of being offered such things. I choose to live a debt minimal lifestyle because of how I was raised, and I don’t want to be tempted. The same goes for online gambling. (And alcohol advertisements, but I do drink).
Stuff like this is why the headline Econ stats do not actually reflect reality.
Sure, there’s lots of room for critiquing how the media and the investor class focus on stats that are not actually representative of things on the ground for fairly complex mathematical/economic reasons, but that conversation requires people to have a Masters on Econ to understand.
What does not require this is the much simpler: They do not take personal debt levels and credit scores into account.
People say things like ‘inflation is going up’ ‘i cant afford as much as i used to’ and … the main actual reason for this is usually that they’re drowning in debt, but are either unaware or don’t want to admit it.
This is a country where 54% of adults read and write at below a 6th grade level. Probably a comparable amount can’t actually do their own budget.
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It doesn’t matter if your wages go up 2% in a year if you had to spend that year buying groceries on credit to not starve, and those all have 16 to 36% interest rates.
Systemic issues can only be solved with systemic changes.
No amount of shaming individuals will fix systemic debt issues, if this is such a large trend that it effects most of the generation then it can only be fixed with systemic changes.
The narrative that individuals are responsible for widespread debt is propaganda meant to shift blame off of the rich people causing wealth inequality to skyrocket
I don’t think their comment was about shaming individuals, but rather pointing out that there are individual level factors that economists don’t take into account when measuring economic health.
Systemic issues can only be solved with systemic changes.
Blaming any individual for their outcome in a system that creates these issues distracts people from the cause of the issues, wealth inequality.
That’s why choosing to obsess over individual choices is totally useless and literal propaganda keeping people from correctly focusing their frustrations
Its not even ‘individial factors’ in the sense that everyone faces unique situations that are not captured by data.
These credit / debt amounts are obviously captured by credit agencies, banks, etc., sold off to data brokers, either anonymized or not.
How else would any credit check occur?
A BLS economist could easily work these in to existing top line numbers, or make a new headline index.
Income Sans Recurring Debt Payments (car, house, consumer debt, student loans, etc)
Average
Median
Percentiles / Buckets / Brackets
Household/Individual
By Age
By Sex
By Location
By Gross Income
By Education Level
…etc.
The data is there. The math is not that hard (for an Economist or Data Scientist).
They just don’t.
It’s lieing by ommission.
I wonder if this research is done but not picked up by media.
I’m honestly not sure. I have the means to check but not the time-energy, unfortunately.
Maybe a few times a year a story makes it fairly mainstream in terms of internet news, but it almost never trends amongst popular streamers / youtubers / podcasts, or airs on TV.
Credit Karma or some other credit agency, or maybe some non profit or academic research will show up, as this article is…
… But the data obviously exists to be able to study and work into a new metric, which could be reported probably at a monthly pace, worst case, quarterly.
Lies, damned lies, and statistics.
The BLS does, I think? have some very rough aggregate stats on consumer debt levels, but nobody reports on it the way business news orgasms every time the jobs print and CPI come out…
No clue how you read myself shaming individuals into what I wrote.
I was writing to explain why everyone feels poorer than all the headline Econ numbers say we should feel.
Why all the libs who spent the last year or two telling us ‘the economy is fine actually’ were just factually wrong, functionally gaslighting everyone.
If anything, I call out the media, media friendly ‘economists’ and business people for perpetuating bullshit.
Obviously a general explosion in personal debt levels is a general, systemic problem with systemic solutions?
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I am all for systemic solutions:
Tax the Wealthy / Tax Corporations
Get rid of student loans, do free tuition
Do a total debt jubilee for those below I dunno 200% poverty income threshold
Cap all consumer credit instruments of all kinds at 3x the Fed Rate
Raise the threshold of income for SNAP and LIHEAP and EITC, etc
Implement universal healthcare, outlaw private insurance, lower costs
Raise the minimum wage
Rent control, automatically expunge all eviction records after 1 or 2 years, actually fund building public housing, write a law that says if a house or condo is on market, unsold, you must drop its price by 5% for every 3 months it remains unsold…
Blah blah, tons of things we could theoretically do.
Only systemic changes will fix systemic issues.
You can actually survive without streaming services and online subscriptions.
Is this today’s avocado toast?
It’s today’s variant of “beans and rice cost, x. So why are you complaining about food cost?”
Maybe if your avocado toast is served by pirates!
BNPL services are downright criminally exploitive. The fact that I find Klarna logos on restaurant menus is completely insane.
Taking on debt to pay for large purchases can make sense. Buying a car with cash is impossible for most people, but paying off a car note over several years gives you the chance to buy the car without fronting the cash first.
But this whole industry is built on the idea that you can just borrow from your future self to fulfill yourself today. Quite frankly, if you don’t have the money to eat out at a restaurant, you shouldn’t be taking on debt to do so.
It’s one thing to have a credit card where you pay to improve your credit score, or earn rewards. Ideally you are using credit strategically, even if you’re using it for most/all of your daily purchases. It’s another thing to have a restaurant menu literally tell you that you can “pay for this meal in 4 easy payments”. They’re openly asking you to keep buying luxuries even when you’re too broke to foot the bill.
My credit card is just a proxy for my debit card, with benefits.
I thought everyone used theirs this way, I tell friends I have a credit card and they gasp.
Like wtf, it’s only as dangerous as you are. Use it, pay it. In, out. Ez pz.
Also I’ll add that there are some things that feel wrong that they just aren’t prepared for you to pay cash for. My audiologist was shocked when I asked him to put my hearing aids on a single debit payment and we had to break it up into three payments. My car was two payments one a day after the first. I was raised to save up for expenses where possible and avoid debt for anything but cars, houses, and education (and hoo boy did I get a lecture on expected income vs price of degree).
And I have to say that these issues are a combination of systemic and cultural. You don’t get this being so common with it being an individual failing, and you don’t get the situations I’ve described or the issues with debt avoiders getting screwed when we look to get a rare responsible loan without it being systemic. But also you don’t get people casually splurging with money they don’t have without it being cultural. Fiscal responsibility isn’t fun or sexy (though actually I have found a casual partner more attractive for the fact that she has retirement savings and minimal debt), but after decades of propaganda encouraging wasteful lifestyles and fiscal irresponsibility I think it’s time we engage in a multi prong approach to this problem. And that very much includes teaching the average American how to live a more frugal lifestyle while also making sure that they can get what they need (housing, transit, education, community participation, cultural enrichment, etc) at an affordable cost to their income.
It’s not just a matter of how big the purchase is. The you next year still who still pays for the car will also still be using the car. The you next month who still pays for the meal would have already pooped the meal.
I mean, we’ve been telling them their entire lives that the planet is doomed, and they have no future… So why the fuck not bring on the debt?
Because rampant over consumption is the reason the planet is doomed.
There is no ethical consumption while living a capitalist way of life.
It isn’t a black and white issue though. There is more ethical and less ethical, but less ethical tends to be cheaper and easier.
The entire idea that individuals are responsible for these systemic issues is propaganda meant to distract from the rich who actually cause the problems
The responsibility is shared. Temu wouldn’t exist if nobody bought from them. Yes, people need clothes, but nobody is forced to buy them from a fast fashion company that is generating enormous amounts of waste. 🤷
Systemic problem can only be fixed by systemic changes, no amount of fixating on individuals will ever fix a systemic issue
Who is teaching them financial literacy in the first place? Because they aren’t being taught it in schools. Meanwhile, these predatory companies do everything they can to convince people to use them.
Cool, except I was very clearly talking about the financial literacy to not do things like get suckered by a predatory lender.
Why are you against that?
The label on the on the guy being explode talks about paying your staff a living wage. Basically, it’s a dunk on arguments that raising the minimum wage would loose jobs.
And it had absolutely nothing to do with what I was talking about besides the term “financial literacy.”
If you don’t think it’s sensible to teach young people to avoid predatory lenders before it’s too late, just say so. Otherwise this is irrelevant.
This is the level of discourse at this point. Someone makes an observation or a comment and people think responding with a meme is a “gotcha.”
No wonder everything is fucked.
So, I’m going to come to their defence a bit here. Most of this is also covered in my comment I made further into the thread.
I don’t think previous generations were any less financially literate on average. You’ve always had those careful with credit and those that didn’t seem to care, or didn’t understand the ramifications of their decisions.
I grew up in the 80s and 90s and most large stores had their own store credit system with 30%+ APR rates. Plenty of people that were boomers or gen X had those accounts, and would routinely buy more whenever they cleared their credit a little.
You could also get credit cards and each card in terms of spending power would have similar limits to what you have now. And there was no shortage of people that would be sitting on their credit limit all the time. I knew people in the 90s that had no idea how interest worked and would be sitting on their credit limit paying back mostly interest all the time.
I think the difference is the ease with which you can gain access to credit now.
In the 80s and 90s you generally needed to go into the store to get their credit. You needed to go to a bank or fill in paperwork in the post to get credit cards. Crucially here, generally there were less providers of credit. Credit cards were often offered by banks, there were not so many resellers of credit. To gain a line of credit you had no chance to ever repay took more effort and as such wasn’t so much of a problem as it is now. It was still a problem, and companies routinely made money from the financially illiterate, even then.
What I think is different now, is that you can get credit from a few screen swipes on your phone now. There’s many many more providers of credit too. As such, the ability to get into an irreversible credit position is much easier. I would put money down that the same people with £1000s in various store credit/cards all compounding interest at 30%+ in the 90s, would also be in huge debt if credit were as easy to get then, as it is now.
I am going to blame financial institutions more here (those getting into the mess are not entirely free of blame). There might be over a thousand sources of credit now, but they all funnel up to a handful of large finance institutions, and they’re the ones really burying their head in the sand pretending they don’t know this is happening and couldn’t do anything to stop it. They most certainly could prevent it, if they wanted to. It just works better for them to have a generation that is constantly paying interest on never repayable debt. Even factoring in the few that will be written off.
Yes, ultimately we all have our own responsibility not to get into these situations. But I don’t think Gen Z or any generation are or were better at this on average. It’s just the conditions that allow it have changed, and continue to change.
they’re the ones really burying their head in the sand pretending they don’t know this is happening and couldn’t do anything to stop it.
“It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.”
I thought we did the whole credit crash a century ago.
We had a pandemic, radical credit spending, nazis, the writer is remixing the previous season. Lazy.It’s all well and good to blame the generation that can’t afford shit to use payday loan companies to buy shit…but when these companies align with the likes of Dominos Pizza to allow you to buy a pizza and pay off in several weekly installments, maybe it’s time to blame prices for being ridiculously high?
Pizza is not a necessity and adding predatory marketing doesn’t help. The whole point is to extract money from as many as possible including the ones that really cannot afford it.
Pizza is not a neccesity but at the end of the day we can’t expect everyone under 30 who doesn’t have well off parents to live on beans and rice. People aren’t robots and while no individual luxury is a neccesity, luxuries as a whole are a neccesity to some degree.
Keep on buying plastic shit, I’m sure it’s gonna be fucken great.
If your outlook on life is “work until you die with nothing left over”, might as well take back something first. The debt will pile up one way or another.
lol time to write an article vilifying young people who somehow aren’t thriving in our flawless economic system. What self-indulgent idiots they are. Where’s my Pulitzer?
Why isn’t this framed as predatory lending?
For the same reason that the subprime mortgage crisis wasn’t; line go up.
Because Capitalism demands exploitation
doesn’t mean we need to blame people (victims) rather than the organizations
Actually yes. Yes it does.
The poor are poor cuz they don’t work hard.
Can’t budget to help the homeless cuz some of them might trade food stamps for drugs.
If you didn’t want that baby you should have kept your lega closed.
Blaming the victim is as American as genociding the indigenous. Happens all day every day. Because this is the bad place.
It’s not just American, it’s very British too.
Ah, the great American Dream. Pull yourself up by your bootstraps and work hard to
enrich the millionaires profiting off your laborearn that $0.12 raise you’ve been asking for.After ending genocide at home it just exports it.
I’m not sure because it definitely is.
The whole selling point of services like Klarna is they don’t show up on your credit checks, meaning you can very easily take on too much debt.
I swear on everything that I’ve read this article word for word years ago but replace gen z with millenials
Basically reddit 10-15 years ago. The doomsday edging gets stale when you realize things are cyclical. Millennials were supposed to implode with debt by now. An economic cycles or two later and that didn’t happen. Now it’s Gen-Zs turn to be on the brink of doom.
We didn’t have this new term buy now pay later to the same extent, the millenials version just called credit cards credit cards.
You don’t have an Aaron’s or Rent-a-center in your town? I’m a millennial and half my formative years were spent on a rent-a-center couch and bed. Half my belongings in my first house were rent to own, now that i think of it. I spent a lot more because of interest and scams but i had zero financial literacy then and i needed furniture. Without a credit card your options were/are limited.
I remember payday lending being a thing, rent to own on furniture rings a bell too, but I remember most of the focus being on credit cards and bank fees
PayPal had zero interest payment plans as far back as like 2010. I’m actually a bit surprised it didn’t take off sooner.
