Why don’t you send nudes to your ex? they’ve already seen you naked before
If it’s done and dusted because they already have your data then why are they constantly trying to get more?
It’s like this. Your front door is left open and while, magically, no one can touch or take anything in your house, strangers are allowed to enter at will and eyeball everything, see all your bills, your kids stuff, your laundry, dirty and clean, etc. How would that ever be ok? And yet we say this is ok electronically every day.
You front door is forbidden to be ever closed (if you want to have an access to the street)
And furthermore - the companies in question are true megacorps, ie evey bit of additional power/money they get (and for the matter of this pov: you give them) goes to absolutely the shorties practices and abuses ever.
It’s a moral thing - I protect my data for the same reason I recycle or consider my (indirect*) carbon footprint.
(*indirect bcs more like which companies or people I support)
With your data you support misinformation, deregulation lobbying, (any) government shitty things, ad culture, anything to protect the stock market as-is or their stock falls, dogshit approach to keeping their respective monology over their market, … and their size and reach allows them to just be bigger than a lot of things like municipalities, even smol countries, the quid-pro-quo aint in the peoples favor.
I simplified example (bcs someone else already made it happen) - imagine, if Google autonomous cars go on sale, suddenly railways projects disappear around you.
a good point. while I appreciate all the usual parables to explain the issue, to me it’s quite simple. namely, me and the evildoers have a fundamental disagreement on the concept of “whose shit is my shit?” the moment their actions indicate it’s theirs, I am in active resistance mode.
They may already have your data today but as soon as you can cut off pipelines that data starts getting stale.
This. So much this. How can people not grasp this idea? Companies don’t care about something you bought 5 years ago. They are interested in your current data.
Bots, bots everywhere
I think some people believe that this is a single event; like they get your email and that’s it. They don’t realize or care that it is a constant ongoing collection of any and all possible information that is held by a company whose motive is profit. These companies are associating ip addresses with devices and activities all the time. Turns out the older your data the less it is worth. Stop when you can- even if it’s a slow process. Privacy is a human right
IP addresses
MAC addresses (physical devices, bluetooth devices in range)
Wifi access points
Cell tower access points
Browser cookies
Browsing history
Search history
Email (and its contents)
GPS paths traveled
Contacts
Apps installed, apps used, frequency of use
Hours inactive
Photos, videos
Just thinking about Google here as I don’t use meta products, but my phone is android…
Right. It’s the difference between I’ve been to Holland and I’ve lived in Springfield Missouri and I am at Holland right now and my house in Missouri is currently unoccupied and full of valuables.
Time of info can make a heck of a difference
I’m tired, boss.
It’s a very alluring argument, to give up, to let them have it. But, not alluring enough.
Turns out the older your data the less it is worth
That’s why I think is not the best approach to delete your accounts. Keep an old phone with all your accounts and every now and then watch a random video, make a random search, follow a random profile, and so on with all your accounts. Over time your true profile will become obsolete and buried under fake data.
But why should we do anything to help future generations not be victimized? /s
For anyone who seems uninterested, ask if they’d like to be arrested for murder simply because they biked past a place every day.
For anyone looking for great talking points about this issue, I highly recommend “Taking Control of Your Personal Data” by prof. Jennifer Golbeck, published by The Teaching Company, ISBN:978-1629978390, likely available at your local library as a DVD or streaming.
Is this specific one valid anymore? I remember seeing in the last year or two that Google location history is now encrypted and it now no longer auto backs up the data, you can enable it though, so the data is now only on the device.
For many people it’s easier to not care… they don’t want to bother with long term consequences of their behaviors.
I simply ask them if they would be OK with a company taking money out their bank account.
Your data is valuable. Why give it away for free?
“Hey I’m going to buy your location data tonight.”
“I like to know where you go on Thursdays”
This what Google, Facebook, X, your ISP, and the junk apps on your phone actually get from you, and everyone around you when you use their creepy apps.
Hit me up on Mastadon, use Tor, use DDG, we should have an restraining order against these creeps. Worse yet they don’t just want it for themselves they sell and share it with company, countries, anyone they like, and don’t tell you.
This is how I WANT to talk about because it’s how I feel. Their just strangers, I wouldn’t tell a stranger on the street any of this. I feel like this is such a fringe thought for people though.
I simply ask them if they would be OK with a company taking money out their bank account.
This is as unconvincing an analogy as
, and for the same reason.Unconvincing to whom? That campaign did an amazing job of equating copyright to property ownership for an entire generation.
It’s not accurate, but I think we’ve seen that it can be very convincing for most people.
I wouldn’t recommend trying to trick people into caring about their privacy: it’s not good for your reputation or your long-term relationship with them.
I would recommend it. People need to be manipulated into doing the right thing.
Ah, yes, the ends justify the means, Dr. Mengele
It does.
Edit: If I would manipulate the German people into not electing Hitler that would make me akin to Mengele?
Which generation is that? I’ll be honest, I’ve yet to talk to someone who really gives a crap about where the content they’re consuming is coming from. Hell, most people I’ve dealt with don’t give a crap about content being pirated whenever it happens to be the more convenient option.
Focus on action. Delete X, Get Y, Change Z. They will ask why. Stop talking about privacy. Make them ask you.
That’s why you never say data. They’ve heard it all before. Call them a cuck. They’re fucking your phone and you’re left to watch, anti-libre software.
