Immigrant workers in the US are the definition of essential workers. Many work hard agricultural jobs and take exploitatively low wages to do so.
They’ll be “detained” in for profit prisons and then under the federal prisoner labor program they’ll get paid 10 cents an hour to do the same work. The detention will end up becoming indefinite and private corps will reap the profits of modern-day slavery on a bigger scale than they already do from our (disproportionately) large incarcerated population.
And Californian’s rejected a ballot measure to make this illegal, so they’re getting what they wanted.
Absolutely insane this measure was rejected
Removed by mod
What are the increments between those 2 values?
SOME Californians
Grrrrr
I hate how possible this is
It’s ok. Once DOGE kills the economy, everybody will be eager to trim trees and drive Uber and deliver DoorDash. Except there won’t be anyone able to pay them to do that.
Nonsense, the FREE MARKET will provide. The FREE MARKET loves us and wants to protect us from the mean old world.
The FREE MARKET that bans all freedom by placing Tariffs against other countries to control the market and banning the production of products such as lab grown meats before they come to market and car sales from manufacturers to consumers without having middle men. (Those 2 are just Florida examples).
We want the enslaved market
Yep, the FREE MARKET working as the founding fathers intended…
What are you talking about? Pedro is the exception, the one good guy. They won’t deport him, I need him! They can’t do that to me, can they?
He’s a good hombre.
I mean the evacuation of the Jews, the extermination of the Jewish race. It’s one of those things it is easy to talk about, “the Jewish race is being exterminated,” says one party member, “that’s quite clear, it’s in our program, elimination of the Jews, and we’re doing it, exterminating them.” And then they come, 80 million worthy Germans, and each one has his decent Jew. Of course the others are vermin, but this one is an A-1 Jew.
-Heinrich Himmler to senior SS officers, 1943.
replace “jews” with “palestinians” and it reads like Isralei leadership’s statements now.
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israeli-ministers-call-erase-palestinian-village-an-incitement-violence-us-says-2023-03-01/ “Asked about a weekend settler rampage through the Palestinian village of Huwara, which an Israeli general on Tuesday described as a “pogrom,” Smotrich said: “I think that Huwara needs to be erased”.”
https://www.commondreams.org/news/smotrich-gaza-annihilation "In just the latest example of a top Israeli official openly calling for the elimination of Gaza and the 2.3 million Palestinians who live there, Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich on Tuesday demanded the destruction of cities and refugee camps in the blockaded enclave.
“There are no half measures,” said Smotrich at a government meeting. “Rafah, Deir al-Balah, Nuseirat—total annihilation.”
“‘You will blot out the remembrance of Amalek from under heaven,’” he added, quoting the biblical story of the nation of Amalek, whose people God commanded the Israelites to exterminate and which right-wing Israeli leaders have long invoked to justify the killing of Palestinians."
https://www.dailysabah.com/world/mid-east/starving-2m-palestinians-to-death-justified-far-right-israeli-min “Starving 2M Palestinians to death justified: Far-right Israeli minister”
“Mommy, why did we send Jesus to a concentration camp?”
“Our nation is a nation of immigrants. More than any other country, our strength comes from our own immigrant heritage and our capacity to welcome those from other lands." -Ronald Reagan
It’s ridiculous how far right the USA has moved when it comes to immigration. Reagan was a scumbag overall but was right about this. Frankly it pisses me off that even the Democrats are so far right on this.
Of course Reagan meant [white] immigrants.
It’s ridiculous how far right the USA has moved when it comes to immigration.
Agreed, and I think maybe we should remove the plaque from the Statue of Liberty as it clearly no longer applies.
“Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!” cries she With silent lips. “Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”
Reagan was an idiot about a lot of things. His policies were often at odds with his rhetoric which was quite progressive for its time and place. If you listened to him though, he was not openly hostile to immigration. Neither him nor H.W. where on the scale of today’s right.
Woah your saying the right is suddenly anti-immigration now? That is really nonsensical and ignores a lot of history.
Did you watch that clip of H.W. and Reagan? The rhetoric is clearly pro-immigration. They are the “right” I am referring to in history and where they are at on the Overton Window. It also depends on what you mean by immigration. At that point in time, the Overton Window was center right.
Their rhetoric at the time was more friendly, but Regan deported more than Obama, Trump, or Biden
Go back and read my comment. I said his rhetoric didn’t match his policies.
I really think the right of the 80s/90s is way different than todays right.
ah I’m mistaken. why do they hate NATO so much?
Clearly they aren’t sending their best.
Dems, Rebubs as individuals aren’t really anything other than drones that follow orders on what to think and what to get angry about. It’s a systemic issue where money is injected into the fringes to piss the other side off and force a defensive posture and eventually conflict from fear.
Every idea that categorizes into left/right needs to be challenged at this point.
The left will never prevail
The right will never prevailWe must recognize and respond to what is really happening.
Both the left and right 100% worship at the altar of capitalism. What the people want doesnt factor into much except the votes every 2-4 years, which are heavily steered and give us little real democratic control of our future. Capitalism maximizes profits and couldnt care less whats good for society.
I’m not saying the left and the right are the same, but they work for the same bosses, and thats the rich, not us. You and I only really exist as abstract concepts to them, not as fellow humans. Our carefully curated votes are a means to an end, and that end is not whats good for the people of the country.
https://monthlyreview.org/2009/05/01/why-socialism/
Once our votes are removed as trump said he’d do, we serve little real purpose to them. Why incentivize your workforce when you can make them live in fear and pay them less?
Both the left and right 100% worship at the altar of capitalism.
What left?
The democrats are not leftists lmao
As someone who has a lot of contact with the right, the conflating of illegal immigration with our past and present as a nation of immigrants is the point of the wedge and why this is so effective. Many conservatives I know are fully in support of legal immigration, and even expanding legal immigration as long as it is not done at the expense of existing Americans like with H1B slaves many tech companies want to import.
The left then paints them as racist for it, saying it is xenophobia and not support for rule of law and protections for vulnerable Americans. Many grew up taking a job cleaning bus station toilets and other jobs to make ends meet or get back on their feet that the left now says “Americans don’t want”, proving no actual jobs are lost. They, rightly or wrongly, see this as the lowest skilled Americans having jobs stolen from them, and see “Americans don’t want these jobs” as “Americans don’t want these jobs for that pay” pushing wages down using illegal immigrant labor.
The left enjoys telling business that if they can’t afford to pay a living wage for their lowest paid jobs then they don’t deserve to be in business, while at the same time decrying the cost increases to food and janitorial if those industries had to pay non-migrant workers enough to do those jobs. It is an easily exploitable hypocrisy that even allowed Brexit to happen.
It allows the Fox News crowd to be swindled more easily, and it allows actual racists to get away with more because the conservative masses can’t hear the dog whistles, which is the point of dog whistles.
Many conservatives I know are fully in support of legal immigration
Then why do they oppose it? That’s a contradiction. They oppose asylum seekers which is legal immigration. They oppose and make up fake news controversies about legal Haitian immigrants saying they are “eating the dogs.” The actively want to make it harder to come into the country legally. Even for illegal immigrants, if we create a path to citizenship they would be legal, but they don’t want that, they want to kick them out. The legal status of them thus does not matter to them, it’s not their primary concern, they just want to get the immigrants out.
You need to explain to me how opposing legal immigration = supporting legal immigration. Resolve that contradiction for me.
The left enjoys telling business that if they can’t afford to pay a living wage for their lowest paid jobs then they don’t deserve to be in business, while at the same time decrying the cost increases to food and janitorial if those industries had to pay non-migrant workers enough to do those jobs.
There is only a “contradiction” because you are an extremist dogmatist who insists we should all fall on our knees and worship the free market like it’s a god. Whatever the market says goes! Humans be damned! How dare you question the glory of the market??
No, there is no contradiction here because we can pay people a living wage and bring down price gouging. Your issue is because of the fact you are an extremist dogmatist who treats free markets like a religion where it is blasphemy to question anything private corporations do, you act like price gouging is just a fact of nature, like a natural disaster, something that can’t be helped because it’s just the will of all mighty market which we cannot question.
Again, no, some of us aren’t religious zealots for free markets. We recognize that we can demand workers have higher pay and companies stop price gouging at the same time and there is no contradiction here. You can’t wrap your brain around this because you think private corporations are equivalent to deities which we are not allowed to question, so if workers are paid higher and the corporations choose to offset this by raising prices, oh well, there’s nothing we can do, you can’t question the decisions of the great mighty oligarchs, whom we must fall to our knees and worship!
Yes we can. Grow a fucking spine you cuckhold.
“Americans don’t want these jobs for that pay” pushing wages down using illegal immigrant labor.
Aren’t conservatives the ones who say “guns don’t kill people, people kill people?” Yet somehow this agency disappears when it comes to wages being lowered. Wages are lowered on their own, again, like a natural disaster, the free market is just something we cannot question and we have to accept whatever it throws at us. No, people lower wages. It is an active decision by private enterprises, the people who run them have human agency which you continue to pretend does not exist because you are a complete dogmatist who wants people to bow before them like gods. It is those people, human beings with agency who push down wages. Wages don’t just magically go down on their own whenever your country has immigration.
I would ordinarily love to discuss several of your points as you seemed to request, chiefly surrounding legal immigration, asylum, labor pools, and the painting of all “conservatives” as a monolithic bloc that all personally believe what the worst parts of the Republican party espouse, but I can tell by the vitriol, name calling, and disparaging assignment of who you decided I am for pointing out my own observations of others motivations that this will be pointless. I hope you have a better day going forward.
“The worst parts” is literally the Republican party’s major platform that they put front and center and is literally what they campaigned on? What on earth are you on about?
What’s there to even “debate”? You can’t change the mind of an extremist dogmatist. You cannot begin the discussion with wild claims about we aren’t ever allowed to question any decision a private enterprise ever makes then honestly be like, “I just want a serious discussion 🥲.” No, you don’t, you come here to just preach your religious ideology, and you’re upset some people don’t mindlessly accept it without question.
I would really like to know where you get me being an extremist dogmatist, not questioning of private enterprise, and religious of all things? This is why I didn’t want to attempt to discuss anything with you, because you are putting words into my mouth, assigning me values you think I hold, and accusing me of being upset about people disagreeing with me.
I want immigration reform, socialized medicine, UBI, free education, free child care, free student meals, and am an atheist who wants all religion as far from government as possible (supporting the Satanists doing the same shit Christians do to shine a light on that bullshit). I also enjoy political discourse because I don’t think just slapping an Enemy label on those I don’t seem to agree with won’t do anything except create further balkanization. But please, let me continue to be your boogie man because I don’t support open borders and said not all conservatives are slavering Nazis.
Never said anything about Nazis, I just responded to what you said, as well as put it in the context of the main thrust of the platform which their current party ran on and they voted for. No one accused you of being a “boogieman,” you are just suffering from a victim complex desperately trying to invent conspiracies that never happened to paint yourself as some poor martyr. Just stop saying ridiculous things worthy of mockery. Not that hard. Be normal.
You call me a cuck, a dogmatic oligarchist, and a religious zealot, sprinkle in implications I’m too stupid to wrap my brain around the enlightened truth, and then call me a martyr with a victim complex for taking offense to you painting me as a bootlicking braindead conservative. Piss off back to lemmygrad, tankie troll.
Saying that we need low paid immigrants to harvest our fields and orchards to keep food prices low, while demanding that the US high school and college students serving that same food at McDonalds deserve $15 or $20 an hour is a hypocrisy, and the people working the fields deserve a living wage as much as the fast food worker. You are garbage if you think otherwise. Price gouging has nothing to do with importation of cheap labor, and you are deflecting the conversation with the best of them.
On the subject of price gouging though, since you are so keen, the 15 companies the control all consumer goods, along with the grocery monopolies need to be broken up like Bell or Standard Oil, and be forced to actually compete in a free market. Collusion laws need to be enforced and fines need to be punitive enough they aren’t a cost of doing business.
Companies need to be fined the same way when found not using e-verify and exploiting illegal immigrants for manual labor in construction, meat processing, etc. Companies don’t get to break the rules and just roll it into the budget.
Acting like the importation of an undocumented underclass that can be threatened with deportation if they step out of line doesn’t depress wages in the industries they are being used in a asinine. Next you are going to say that outsourcing manufacturing from the US to China, and now from China to Africa and SE Asia doesn’t drive down the prices for those goods because the labor is cheaper and has less regulations.
People crossing the border using smugglers to then claim asylum when caught is an exploitation of our legal immigration process, and they do it because it works. Legal immigration needs to be reformed, no shit, but the way to do that isn’t to overwhelm it to the point of failure and then rebuild something from the pieces. This equivalency of illegal and legal immigration is one of the reasons why the Democrats lost to a piece of shit like Trump, treating the Hispanic vote like they are illegals. The worst part of the Republican party is the elected part, again no shit. Like holding your nose and voting for the lesser evil is exclusively for the left, and every Republican whole heartedly personally endorses everything on the Trumpublican platform.
Let’s see if calling anyone you disagree with a cuck helps the Democrats win more elections, because calling them a basket of deplorables worked so well in 2016. I’ll continue to vote for whomever best aligns with my own center-left ideology, and I’ll keep talking to the conservatives in my personal bubble like human beings to try and bring them around to some of the progressive ideas
They are all just people. I don’t care if illegal immigrants take my jobs (even though that isn’t actually happening, it’s fear mongering)
Everyone is just people, even if plenty of people don’t seem to believe it or act like it unfortunately. You are correct that much of it is fear mongering, and there is a shit load of propaganda that uses this. There is also a thriving industry of “businesses” taking advantage of illegal immigrants to pay less than minimum wage and break every other labor law and OSHA guideline through the threat of deportation. The most effective lies have a kernel of truth in them. Everyone else also isn’t as laze fair about competition for employment, and I can’t personally fault them for that.
The best was to combat this is not to claim it’s all fake news and tell people who are concerned about it that their internal motivations aren’t what they think they are and instead it’s because they are racists. Education doesn’t work if you berate people, because defensive people aren’t receptive to it.
All Empires are running immigration. Immigrants come to where the money is being spent. This isn’t even just American history.
So fucking true
I work with a ton of immigrants and some I have known for for 20 years. The thought of losing them is just painful.
See, your problem is thinking they are humans. You should be treating them like immigrants instead.
/s
This needs to be a series.
Next is with one of them holding an “Abortion is murder” sign while the other says, let them finish my procedure first, it’s medically necessary.
Do not use a chainsaw like that. yikes.
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The artist obviously haven’t used a chainsaw. That guy is about to get a face full of knocked backed chainsaw, let’s hope the brake works.
Edit: I just noticed how his feet are positioned. WTF? both feet flat on the ground! Is he walking beneath the branch he’s cutting? Gah!
I thought the reason trump won was the Hispanic support. That was what was so strange about this election.
It’s not any more strange than literally any republican voting to shoot themselves in the foot. Nobody benefits from it. Not even the rich! It just feeds their money addiction like a drug dealer feeds a junkie.
Yup. But just remember that everyone, possibly including the native nations are all immigrants. Now the native nations were here first so obviously they should call the shots.
No. The reason he won was because of apathy and despair.
If “Did Not Vote” was a candidate in 2024:
I think the bigger reason Trump won is a bunch of people didn’t feel like it was worth voting. And now they will find out why that was a bad move.
Definetly no cheating…
“the reason” … No no no. There were many reasons.
And it still makes no sense as far as a comic trying to pick this as ‘the thing’ though.
I wouldn’t mind a sequel to the movie Day Without A Mexican
The sequel is called “All year round with slaves”.
This racist joke that all “hispanics” are illegals must stop.
Jokes on them, Pedro has a business license, and is legally here. He wants the illegals taking advantage of the system to stop taking his opportunities.
It’s not a joke based on nothing. It’s based on how many of the people who want mass deportation will always assume someone is an immigrant based on looks, language, skin color. I’ve seen lots of right wing people talk about seeing illegals at an airport or non Americans. How do they know? Did they check their papers, passport, etc?
No. They just looked at em and knew somehow.
