Would you say skin color is relevant in our daily lives just because some people think it is?
Yes. That was my point. Check your privilege. You don’t have to be a flagrant racist to subconsciously make decisions and judgements based on race (and gender).
I’m not going to explain how inherent and human biases work. If you care to start making a difference, then it’s up to you to understand that you’re not perfect and learn how to start changing how you see and affect the world beyond your idealist rose-colored glasses.
I also said nothing about excluding philosophy discussions. Please do not put words in my mouth.
I’m just going to ignore you implying I’m a racist and focus on the second part.
Saying “outside of a philosophy discussion” doesn’t mean “we can’t talk about philosophy,” it means it is generally not relevant in terms of the way it is necessary to live our lives.
People make unnecessary things important to them all the time- skin color, religion, ethnicity, etc.
But if you just ignore those things as irrelevant, the only thing that changes is that some people are treated less like shit. Which is my point.
On the other hand, treating people like shit seems like something you’re interested in, at least on a one-to-one level.
You think you’re perfect. You are not. No one is. I am not saying you are a racist. You are a human with human biases.
What you’ve just told me is that you have no interest in discovering and changing yourself to help make a difference. Not to be on any sort of moral high-ground, but I have a really tough time with people that have no desire to learn and improve.
What I’m going to ignore is your assertion that philosophy is not relevant to daily life. That is the stupidest claim in this thread, and it is at the very core of your (subconscious) bigotry. If you can’t see that, then there is no next step.
If that’s not what you were saying, then what were you saying?
Also, I like how you say both “I am not saying you are a racist” and “your (subconscious) bigotry” as if those aren’t total contradictions.
They are not. Subconscious bigotry or bias doesn’t necessarily make one a bigot, as contradictory as that may sound. Whether they like to admit or not, everyone reacts differently to people who are noticeably different from them. There is no way to entirely avoid this, only to realize when it happens and not act according to it. Or in other words: “I don’t care if you’re racist! EVERYONE’S racist!”
I was saying that it is not relevant outside of a philosophical discussion. I’m not sure why this is so hard to understand. I never said philosophical discussions had no relevance.
Also, while you’re asking questions, maybe you should ask the person I’m talking to who I am supposedly bigoted against.
Yes. That was my point. Check your privilege. You don’t have to be a flagrant racist to subconsciously make decisions and judgements based on race (and gender).
I’m not going to explain how inherent and human biases work. If you care to start making a difference, then it’s up to you to understand that you’re not perfect and learn how to start changing how you see and affect the world beyond your idealist rose-colored glasses.
I don’t have to.
I’m just going to ignore you implying I’m a racist and focus on the second part.
Saying “outside of a philosophy discussion” doesn’t mean “we can’t talk about philosophy,” it means it is generally not relevant in terms of the way it is necessary to live our lives.
People make unnecessary things important to them all the time- skin color, religion, ethnicity, etc.
But if you just ignore those things as irrelevant, the only thing that changes is that some people are treated less like shit. Which is my point.
On the other hand, treating people like shit seems like something you’re interested in, at least on a one-to-one level.
You think you’re perfect. You are not. No one is. I am not saying you are a racist. You are a human with human biases.
What you’ve just told me is that you have no interest in discovering and changing yourself to help make a difference. Not to be on any sort of moral high-ground, but I have a really tough time with people that have no desire to learn and improve.
What I’m going to ignore is your assertion that philosophy is not relevant to daily life. That is the stupidest claim in this thread, and it is at the very core of your (subconscious) bigotry. If you can’t see that, then there is no next step.
You know nothing about me or how far from the truth this is. You are miles closer to perfection than I will ever be.
This is a lie.
I have a really tough time with liars who make assumptions about me and put words in my mouth, so I guess we are both having a really tough time.
And more lies.
But thank you for proving my point about you wanting to treat people like shit so well.
Also, I like how you say both “I am not saying you are a racist” and “your (subconscious) bigotry” as if those aren’t total contradictions.
If that’s not what you were saying, then what were you saying?
They are not. Subconscious bigotry or bias doesn’t necessarily make one a bigot, as contradictory as that may sound. Whether they like to admit or not, everyone reacts differently to people who are noticeably different from them. There is no way to entirely avoid this, only to realize when it happens and not act according to it. Or in other words: “I don’t care if you’re racist! EVERYONE’S racist!”
I was saying that it is not relevant outside of a philosophical discussion. I’m not sure why this is so hard to understand. I never said philosophical discussions had no relevance.
Also, while you’re asking questions, maybe you should ask the person I’m talking to who I am supposedly bigoted against.
I mean it kinda makes sense, someone who doesn’t think that the process of thought is useful not thinking they could make any kind of error.
Yep. It’s hard to point that out when my reasoning gets sucked into a circular black hole.
I’m done responding. People that can be helped can read this thread in the future and maybe realize something about themselves.