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Given that most Palestinians are under the age of 14, this was to be expected: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_State_of_Palestine
Not most, technically - wiki says 0-14 make 44% of population. But this article breaks down the 70% further by saying 44% killed were 14 or under, so it’s pretty much bang on for indicating that they’re killing Palestinians at random.
And if 44% are children, that leaves 56% as adults. Cut that roughly in half to 28% for a 50/50 male/female split you get 72% (28 and 44) of the population is “women and children”. If that’s accurate, the title would be better stated as “Isreal kills indiscriminately”.
Random is giving them way too much. Those are targeted numbers
No they aren’t. Most of every population is women and children.
Its not random when you tell a population to go to a place for safety and then you bomb them when they are concentrated in that place.
Civilians are being killed b3cause ha,as is using civilians as shields.
Yah sure. I’m sure when they shoot a civilian it’s because hamas hiding under their dress. People need to stop believing in movies just because hamas is bad doesn’t make Israel the good guy. There doesn’t seem to be a good guy in this fight. Also look at how Israel has treated them over the years is it really hard to see why organizations like hamas have sprung up?
I agree that both sides in this are shitbags. But don’t excuse Hamas’s war crimes.
Nah, I expect militaries to not bomb indiscriminately. Because that’s a war crime.
You expect too much of the IDF.
You seem to expect too little
Ya, perhaps. Time has taught my optimistic ass to be a pessimist where the IDF is involved. Or conservatives. Or… you know… People. ;)
Unfortunately, that’s just war.
There never was, and there never will be a moral army in war.US military can literally hit one target in a building using a literal knife missile - https://www.wsj.com/politics/national-security/pentagon-used-six-bladed-ginsu-weapon-to-kill-iraqi-militia-leader-7dfe0687
Israel proved they could target precision strike an Iranian general in a single room.
There is in fact an expectation for the military to not bomb indiscriminately, except when in the case of Gaza they choose to bomb indisciminately.
Join the IDF and see for yourself then. Why do you think there is a crisis of morale in the IDF? There was an interview from an IDF soldier talking how emotionally taxing it was for him to drive a bulldozer over dozens of people. Even Israeli news points out how horrific the average actions of the IDF are.
But he still did it. It must have been so hard for him hope he can get over the initial damage. Maybe the other oh wait they’re dead.
I mean, sure, but this assumes that the killing is completely indiscriminate.
It is, but it’s important that you’re clear on that
They’re obliterating entire cities, so yeah.
“Yeah but women and girls will give birth to terrorists, and boys will become terrorists. These are just preemptive-preemptive strikes… Historians may call this genocide but we disagree semantically”. - Israeli government probably
Mossad would be proud of this statement.
Not probably. “Erase the memory of them. Erase them, their families, mothers and children.” says the head of their air force.
According to the CIA world factbook (the only source I could find) the population spread in gaza is:
0-14 years: 38.8% (male 427,450/female 404,288) 15-64 years: 58.3% (male 627,235/female 620,903) 65 years and over: 2.9% (2024 est.) (male 31,655/female 30,112)
https://www.cia.gov/the-world-factbook/countries/gaza-strip/#people-and-society
Meaning about 30% of the population are males over 14.
So I guess Israel isn’t disproportionately murdering women and children, theyre just killing everyone. So genocide.
By eliminating the next generation(s) and the females in fertile age, it is more effective at wiping out a population than engaging directly with it.
This is valid for getting rid of vermin, capable of explosive breeding.
No need to guess what the results will be when applied to human beings.
This is a weird way to phrase this.
Dehumanization works because many of the popular cultures around the world treat non-humans terribly. As we’re talking about the “cradle” of Western civilization, we’re talking about pastoralists especially.
Nice nick name.
Yeah except no. Let’s not.
It got a reaction out of you because if the way it is phrased, didn’t it? That was the objective.
Sadly enough, those who triggered this disaster think in these same terms. And look where it has led.
Yeah well I think I’d be more impressed if you extended empathy rather than more callous disregard for humans
That is a fair criticism. I respect it.
I’m not subtracting my own empathy towards those people by choosing to denounce their aggressors through harsh words. I’m throwing vitriole towards their aggressors.
I get this and this is part of the basis of satire, right?
But the more speech is focused on the dark side, the more our brains focus on the dark because that’s how they work. Eg “Don’t think of a bear,” vs “think of a duck.” But it’s ultimately your writing to style as you’d like
In the US those who abstained from voting or voted third party have sealed Gaza’s fate.
Who the hell do you think has been president for the entirety of this slaughter?
Liberals can’t accept they endorse this genocide.
Liberals see themselves as “somewhat left wing” but they’re centre right at best. When met with the slightest turmoil they just turn into fascists.
as a techie i can confirm a lot of liberals are also bigots who look down on anyone not having fancy college degrees and live in rural areas. for them gaza is an irritation which costed their favourite team the nba finals.
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This slaughter so far
I put it this way, Trump comes in and wipes Gaza off the map. Hes only responsible for a fraction of the destruction because the vast majority of Gaza is already gone.
Are you talking about buildings or people? Because the death toll in Gaza is estimated to be ~40,000 while the population is ~3,000,000. That’s 1.3% for those playing along at home.
Which, if you’re a bit slow on the uptake, means get ready for Trump and Netanyahu to have their way with the remaining 98.7% of Gaza.
But hey, that’s democracy I guess. Personally I enthusiastically voted for Harris, but the people of the US and Israel have spoken and so now we let the chips fall where they may.
Territory mostly. They started from the top and moved down, displacing a majority of the people there. Gaza practically no longer exists, and the Palestinians have become…hang on theres a word for this, a diaspora.
The official death toll is around 43k but estimates range much higher, likely over 100,000. The entire healthcare system in Gaza has collapsed so they cannot identify and put an official tally on many of those killed.
So how far do we go back then? Because Israel has been causing destruction in Gaza for probably a dozen presidents
Yeah, we need to do better than republican and democrat zionist presidents. Though, in recent years it was isolated to a humanitarian crisis, Israel wasnt invading, they just had a stranglehold of Gazas borders. Entirely under Biden though Israel has completely invaded and bombed the whole of the country from northern to southern border.
Rainbows and unicorns for everyone.
Your bar is disgustingly low if opposing genocide is asking too much
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In case anyone forgot from autumn 2023:
On Saturday, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said that Israelis were united in their fight against Hamas, whom he described as an enemy of incomparable cruelty. “They are committed to completely eliminating this evil from the world,” Netanyahu said in Hebrew. He then added: “You must remember what Amalek has done to you, says our Holy Bible. And we do remember.”
As others quickly pointed out, God commands King Saul in the first Book of Samuel to kill every person in Amalek, a rival nation to ancient Israel. “This is what the Lord Almighty says,” the prophet Samuel tells Saul. “‘I will punish the Amalekites for what they did to Israel when they waylaid them as they came up from Egypt. Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.’”
Why are so many women and children joining Hamas?
Why is Hamas using their own people as shields? Why did the people let Hamas rule?
Why did the people let Hamas rule?
I know you really think this is a defense of Israel, but I encourage you to actually find the answer.
Why? Because it’s so plain in sight that everybody knows about it? I doubt it.
Tell me why the people of Palestine voted for hamas (almost 20 years ago by the way).
If you don’t know, look it up. If you don’t care, that’ll explain all I need to know.
Well, nice. Rape is no resistance.
I’m asking why they voted for hamas nearly 2 decades ago and you run to October 7th.
Fine, rape is no excuse for genocide then.
I’d say any claims about rape being a justification for genocide have lost their weight after Israelis protested punishment of IDF soldiers for rape of prisoners on the basis of “Palestinians deserving it”. There are no moral arguments supporting begining, maintaining or continuing the genocide in Gaza.
Uhh sure, whatever floats your boat.
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Do I have to ask the Illuminati? Or aljazeera?
I engaged in good faith and you continue to be a shithead. Bye.
I wouldn’t call that good faith, but nice try.
How about Brigadier General Yitzhak Segev, the Israeli military governor in Gaza in the early 1980s.
Oh look - a New York Times reporter saved us the trouble. Turns out that he had helped finance the Palestinian Islamist movement as a “counterweight” to the secularists and leftists of the Palestine Liberation Organization and the Fatah party, led by Yasser Arafat (who also corroborated this statement).
…there’s that, and the whole military occupation to maintain an apartheid state in an open air concentration camp, the decades-long annexation campaign. You’ll be surprised to learn that people find that kind of thing upsetting.
Thank you for providing the first real information here. But the last paragraph doesn’t sit right with me, the things hamas did is not resistance. And also you make it sound like the Palestinians didn’t chose “Hamas” but in the end you try to relativize what happened on 7th of Oct as a result of “military occupation” etc.
So what now? Also I think its pointless to bring this up here, but seeing how people react across the world in terms of the terror atrocities, its quite clear on what side the palestianias stand on…on the wrong one. I am really sorry for people who ACTUALLY want to have a peaceful live, no matter what religion or origin.
The PLO were in power, Israel knew who Hamas were, and funded their rise to power (for what reason other than to manufacture the pretext for this genocide?), they also created and maintained the conditions that would motivate and justify violent resistance, so yes - Israel are responsible for Hamas.
In maintaining the horrible conditions I pointed to, Israel further motivated people to push back by any means necessary while giving them as little as possible to live for.
You don’t get to tell us you want peace as you defend a genocide. You don’t get to tell us about atrocities as the IDF gleefully document dozens per day, and you don’t get to tell the people you’re genociding that they’re wrong.
With that all clarified, what would justifiable Palestinian self-defence look like, and do those principles apply equally to Israel?
So basically Hamas is an inside job in order for Israel to exterminate innocent people? And the reasoning for that is…? I guess 7th October was also a self made incident?
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You can’t actually be this ignorant…
Yes they can be that ignorant. Let’s stop pretending people are smart. The last 10 years has proven people are raging morons and proud of it.
I disagree - I think the majority know they’re lying, and support the genocide - they’re just cowards too gutless to say so.
You give these monsters any sort of push, and they start using Palestinian and Hamas interchangeably which really gives the game away… keep going, and they start screaming their support for wiping Palestine off the map.
Is that just because 70% of people are women and children or is there bias?
The math leans towards the former, but when the two hypotheses suggested by the data are “we are actively and selectively targeting noncombatants” and “we just don’t give half a shit who we’re killing,” in a sane world you’d be universally branded as “the baddies” in the conflict.
They’re bad I just want a better understanding of what’s happening so I can more accurately hate Israel
Sorry. Not casting aspersions on you, just despairing at the situation.
No bias, they are just killing everyone on sight.
44% children, 26% women, 30% men. Gaza is about half under 18, so that’s nearly randomly killing people. That said, these are only confirmed fatalities, so presumably susceptible to bias.
The report is here
I guess it’s “nice” to confirm that they’re still killing Palestinians at random.
That’s because Mama’s surrounds military targets with civilians.
Look at what atrocities hamas has forced the idf to do for over a year now!!! Seriously, I can’t believe you’re trying to make this argument at this point.
It’s so predictable too. Did someone do something indefensible and you don’t want to face up to it? Try blaming the victim today! Ask your propagandist if victim blaming is right for you.
wow did you know that ~50% of people are female and ~50% of people in Gaza are children? what a shocking statistic that ~70% of people killed are women or children!
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im just mocking the stats in the title because it implies that women and children are targeted but it’s not like prioritising men or adults makes it any better
it’s not like you can ethically decide whether any one of these age groups/genders are more guilty/innocent/valuable/important
killing through genocide is similarly unjust however you do it, it’s just that sometimes discriminating some groups makes it more beneficial for the genociding party (e.g. deaths of children are more emotionally powerful when used in media)
the stats don’t say that they don’t discriminate though, it’s just saying they don’t discriminate based on their status as a child or an adult, or gender
hey fucking idiot: in war you usually don’t kill people statistically randomly.
That just reinforces the fact that it’s an actual genocide. If the general population wasn’t just being murdered en masse, the statistics would skew towards military targets.
That’s 70% of confirmed deaths. So essentially this number is meaningless, as we don’t know the whole picture.
Fuck man, they went a little overboard with the propaganda at your school and left out all the maths?
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“This number is meaningless”
That’s what you said.
Even if it’s just of verified deaths, then you can still double the victim number, and still have 35% of the victims be women and children.
So is the number truly meaningless, or are you saying “it’s meaningless” just as an attempt to downplay the genocide Israel is committing?
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If it were the same ratio it would be 70%. 35% is if the death count doubled with zero additional women or children killed.
The Office of the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights (OHCHR) published the report on Friday, having verified 8,119 of the more than 34,500 people reportedly killed during the first six months of Israel’s war in Gaza…
That’s less than 25% of all reported deaths. The numbers can fluctuate dramatically, depending on if they didn’t verify dead terrorists for one reason or another.
Yes so there’s probably thousands more buried under robble or incinerated because of 2000 lb bottle was dropped on their house.
Yeah, no shit
B-b-b-but what about Trump?!
Kamala said she was going to look for a ceasefire. Trump told Netanyahu to hurry up and finish the job. Get off your high horse.
EDIT: wow the tankies are out in full force tonight
Oh wow she said. Too bad she wasn’t in some position of power to do something immediately… hey wait a minute.
She can say whatever she wants, she has been part of the administration funding this genocide, she could have used her position to be more firm about stopping the aggression from Israel but has been nothing but supportive, regardless of what sham talks of ceasefire they may have tried to claim. Is there any evidence that she will take action that would be meaningfully different than what Trump would do?
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And right now liberals are cheering on more of them.
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You must not be on twitter or tiktok. I can’t count the number of tweets Ive seen from LIBERALS that say they hope trump turns Gaza into glass.
