• Flying Squid@lemmy.world
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    3 hours ago

    You still don’t get it.

    It isn’t about voting for Harris.

    It’s about voting against Trump.

    You can give me all sorts of reasons why Harris wasn’t an appealing candidate. It’s not relevant. Trump was a clear and present danger.

    I don’t give a shit about whether or not people liked her or whatever their idealistic reasons not to vote for her were. None of them justify allowing Trump to take office by refusing stop him from doing it. That is on people who refused to vote or vote third party. You were not going to get the candidate you wanted this year. You were a fool if you didn’t know that.

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      2 hours ago

      You’re talking to me as if I’m one of those non-voters.

      Most Americans are not the terminally-online type - they didn’t see your impassioned warnings about Trump. All they heard was that there was an election, and the choice was between Trump and Harris, and neither one really had anything material to offer them. To them, democrats screaming about how bad Trump is is just par for the course. They needed more than to not be Trump, and they didn’t deliver.

      Go ahead and scream into the void if you want. None of it will change the fact that Harris lost because she ran a bad campaign and turned her back on meaningful progress.

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        2 hours ago

        Well you’re defending them.

        And it’s has nothing to do with my warnings. It has to do with the literal words he said out loud repeatedly.

        Now all you’re saying is American voters are ignorant and that’s somehow Kamala Harris’ fault. If they didn’t know what Trump had to say, they didn’t know what Harris had to say.

        Again not a good excuse.

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      2 hours ago

      I voted for Harris. But in the first-past-the-post system, all that matters for a party is victory. That is how you judge the success of party officials. There is a whole class of extremely well-paid Democratic party officials whose ENTIRE JOB is to figure out how to select a candidate and sell them to the American people. That is literally their entire job.

      The average voters is low-information, doesn’t pay attention, and assumes both sides frequently lie. (And they’re not wrong about the lying.) You can truthfully call the other side fascist, but the other side will simply say you’re the fascist, and low-information voters can’t tell the difference.

      Voters have always been low-information. This isn’t anything new. The entire reason we have primaries is that it forces candidates to actually try their hand at mass appeal and to take the temperature of the electorate. Democratic leaders kept Biden in far too long, til it was too late to hold a proper primary.

      You can blame it on those who don’t vote, but the truth is that most people pay attention to politics only tangentially. If you, as a political operator, didn’t find a way to reach these voters, you have failed.

      Does the blame ultimately fall on those who didn’t vote for Biden? Sure. But the same is true of those who didn’t vote for Walter Mondale. It doesn’t mean Harris isn’t just as big a failure as Mondale.

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        2 hours ago

        The average voters is low-information, doesn’t pay attention, and assumes both sides frequently lie.

        Voters have always been low-information. This isn’t anything new.

        Then it isn’t the fault of the Harris campaign.

        The entire reason we have primaries is that it forces candidates to actually try their hand at mass appeal and to take the temperature of the electorate.

        That would not make a difference if voters have always been low-information.

        You can blame it on those who don’t vote, but the truth is that most people pay attention to politics only tangentially. If you, as a political operator, didn’t find a way to reach these voters, you have failed.

        You mean like have multiple TV channels and foreign governments pump out endless propaganda? You’re right, the real issue in America is that there’s no Democrat version of Fox News, Newsmax, etc. and they haven’t reached out to Putin for help.

        Also, this is nothing like Reagan/Mondale. Reagan never said he would be a dictator. Reagan never quoted Hitler.